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DOCUMENT NAME/INFORMANT:

MISS KATIE O/NEILL

INFORMANT/S ADDRESS:

MASSET (1)

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ENGLISH

DATE OF INTERVIEW:

SEPTEMBER 9. 1966

INTERVIEWER:
INTERPRETER:
TRANSCRIBER:

MELANIE NESS

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...about your famIly. yOU know. about Barkerv1lle

really, and how they got to Barkervllle.

Because th1s 1s a,

we haven/t got too much about Barkerville,
like you to tell me something.

Oh, yes.

I/d

This is of course before

your, your day that you/d remember

**

you know.

too much or anything.

My mother went there a bride, you see, in

eighteen seventy-nine.

Yes, eighteen seventy-nine.

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Where did she come from?

**

She came from her mother/s

ranch on the Cariboo Road.

But, she was born in New York.

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What was her name?

**

Marianne

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And how did she come out?

**

She came out with her parents,

Vezie (?).

gold rush from New York.

and they came out to the

There were four of them in the

family, two boys and two girls.
San Francisco,

Did she ...

And they came out by way of

and landed at Westminster,

you know, and the

small pox was raging then, and they were stuck there for
nine months.

And the oldest girl, she was twelve, she died,

and there was another

little girl born there.

So in nine

months time they started up the Cariboo Road, and when they

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got to about. sixteen miles out of Ashcroft.

there was an

old log cabin on the road and Grandma said. "I~m not going
another step."
pocket.

They only had fifty cents left in their

So they just stayed there and they had some trading

stuff with them you know. and she had lots of nice Irish
linen sheets and they lined this cabin with the sheets.
they stayed there all winter.

and in the spring I think it

was, they went down across the road and pre-empted
there, and that was their Bonny Part Ranch (?).
people next door to them, the Walkers,
grand-daughter
postmaster,

the land

And the

there~s a

living here now, her husband~s

Mr. Lee.

And

the

She was a, it~s funny how the people,

meet and connect.

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So that was the beginning

**

Yes, that was the beginning

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Mr. Beatty was with them.

**

Yeah, oh yes. oh yes.

of Bonny Part Ranch, was it?
of the Bonny Part Ranch.

Grandpa was there. and they had

no money, and there was no people, but they~d sell anything
to if they could raise things ...you know, stuff on the farm.
Well, Grandma used to go out nursing, and that~s the way
she, earned a little money.
Kamloops,

and Ashcroft,

She went from Clinton,

and (inaudible).

to

She was the, the

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midwife

of the country.

old-timers

Oh, I could name so many of the

that she nursed, you know.

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Such as?

**

The Harvey-Bailey/s

Bailey/s,

in Ashcroft,

and the Haddock/s,

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and

and I can/t think, remember

name of that ...judge in Vancouver.
there.

the Harvey/s

And so many old-timers

the

His people used to be in

I ...

They were really on their way to Barkerville,

were

they?

**

Yes.

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Just on up a little further.

**

Yes.

They were on their way to the gold vein.

Grandma was just tired of al I that.

just stopped

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And then ...

Do you know anything

Ranch,

that happened

at the Bonny Part

in her young days, in your mother/s

anything

**

there.

And they

young days,

like that.

Well,

I wouldn/t

know that part of it because

she, she

in Wi) liam/s Lak~, the convent

there.

jV.l(/r1feJ'2

was going to school

And that/s where she met her, future husband.

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How did that happen?

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W~ll, h~ wae on hie way to Barkerville

from ...Skwawkeegan

(?) ...Wakeegan

Illinois?

William/s

Lake, and he was a Catholic,

sisters/

there, and the priests/,

an addition

and he stopped at the

and helped them build, add

onto the school at William/s
Ft{'-/U 1'2E'

And he got to

Lake, and when that

i-/-V 5134 IV])

--

was fininshed,

.,he was on his way to Barkervil Ie, but he had

met my mother

then you see, she was a border there, and

that/s where the romance started.
after something
(inaudible),

And then, it was a year

like that, and they were married,

1879.

from the

And they went to Barkervil Ie, by stage,

and the stage broke down at Stanley
had to walk in on snowshoes

I think it was, and they

from there to Barkerville.

And

then 1880, my sister Mrs. Boss (?) was born, Mattie O/Neill.
And then Wiggs was born two years later in 1882.
born, another two years, 1884.

Then I was

And I was three years old

when my father died, and he/s buried up at, near the old
court house you know, have you ever been there, at the old
court house?

And, the graves are gone, though.

Surveyors

were trying to locate the graves, and the little Catholic
church that was there, but I don/t know if they ever did or
not.

Mr. Bucken (?) was the engineer.

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What was your father/s name?
Veeoie?

O{fI/&/bb

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No, your father.

**

Oh, Charles Patrick

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Dld he come from the states originally?

**

Yes.

O/Neill.

Charles Patrick

O/Neill.

His people came from the Old Ireland, but he came

from the states.

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What brought him up into this country?

**

Well I think the gold rush.

and his father married

Yes.

He was an only child

again, so he left home and went out

seeking his fortune.

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What was he doing

**

He was a blacksmith.

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Was he one of the first ones there?

**

I don/t know that.

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Anything

in Barkerville?
Yes.

I don/t know that.

about him, any incidents or that happened

about him, in Barkervil Ie or anything

**

Well,

I wouldn/t,

of course

only three, but I don/t remember,
might have remembered
wouldn/t,

too young.

like that?

I wouldn/t

remember,

I was

any, Mrs. Boss or Wiggs

things, you know,

like that, but I

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You don/t remember

Barkervl1 Ie at all, really, hardly,

or do you?

**

Not when I was there first, Just going back to it.

I

expect to go back and see it like I see pictures

of it, with

all the, you know, the stumps of trees al lover

the hil Is,

when I went back the trees had all grown up.

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(inaudible),

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... baptized
~

**

~

is there

(break in tape)

there?
(?).

At Grandmother/s

farm.

Because

sent to, Barkervil Ie for my, I sent to ...about myoId
pension.

I wrote

to the priest at Kamloops.

l~tt~r to the prieBt at QueBnel.
Government

Agent, up there.

I

age

And he sent my

And he paBBed it on to the

And, I got it back, signed by

Mr. Bryant, who used to be our Government

Agent here.

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Mr. Bryant.

**

Mrs. Bryant, she lives here now, you see, she works

What was he ...
in

the Bulkley Hotel at the desk there, and her son/s a
schoolteacher
I

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here.

But Mr. Bryant was at Barkerville,

when

sent for the ...
Now, then what way did you go after Barkerville?

said your dad died there ...

You

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**

Yes, he died and was buried there, and then my mother

married

again, and we went over to the Queen Charlotte

Islands.

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Who dId

**

Mr. Alexander.

she marry again?
He was Hudson Bay man, in Quesnel.

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What was his first name, his full name?

**

James Marsden Lyndsay Alexander.

Yeah.

It was Hudson

Bay ...factor.
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You didn~t

**

No, just a, oh. I think we were there two years.

two years.

live in Quesnel,

then, at all.
Yes,

Yes, and from there, then when he was going into

raising cattle on the Queen Charlotte

Islands

e went over

to Masset .

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.

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What was the story of that, of the cattle business,

the ...?
TP

You~re

(inaudible),

every time!

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I know that, I~m sorry. I~ll try and hold on.

TP

Try and hold on.

on

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'lee, the, the, tell ue the et orv of the cattle. whole

business.

you know, why he wanted

happened

and so forth.

**

to raise cattle. what

Well, he and another Hudson Bay man, R. H. Hall, were

going to go into this, I don~t know why they picked Masset.
Queen Charlotte
enthusiastic

Island.

Anyway,

about this business

so my stepfather

they were very,
they were going to work up,

went over there and took the whole

family,

and Mr. Hall didn~t resign, he stayed on with his good Job!
And we were only over there three years when, we were going

-------

to come over to Port Simpson

to live, when he got word from

the Hudson Bay. would he take over the post unti 1 they could

--

get someone else there, so he was in the Hudson Bay there,
right ln Masset
Simpson.

for a year.

Then from there we went to Port

And well, he didn~t do anything

had the post office for a while,
during the Klondike

and he was custom officer

'--

rush, and that~s where he dled, in 1900,

and one, he died there.
family started

there, he was, he

And we llved down there until the

to scatter.

and ...

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You were quite young then, when your stepfather

**

Yes, he died in nineteen-hundred

/qo/
and one.

I would be

what ... ! was born in ~84, he died in nineteen-hundred
one.

died.

and

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You were seventeen.

**

Seventeen?

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Tell me about, you remember

was like there,

Yeah.
Masset at all, and what

living there, how they were

it

living, how we

were living, and so on?

**

Well, we went out to this farm, this ranch, out at a

place called Seewot

(?), and that was just an ordinary

farm

house, and a lot of cattle around, you know, and a beautiful
beach there, oh my it was a lovely beach, miles and miles of
beautiful

sand that they could, Mother and Father used to go

horseback

riding on, you couldn/t

see the print of the hoof

in the sand, it was so firm you know, so hard,

like cement.

Well that/s al 1 there was to that out there but when we came
back into Masset we lived in Hudson Bay house ...
I had a picture

there.

I thought

Of the old Masset house, Hudson Bay

house.

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Were the Collins/s,

**

No Keene, the Collins/s

that, the Reverend

the Collins/s

there at that time?

had left quite a while before

Keene was there, and, but before that

there was a Reverend

Harrison,

went off ranching himself,

but he left the ministry

but, near Seewot, and ..

and

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Was, what had happened

your stepfather

**

get out of it?

There was no market

your beef.

to the cattle ranching. why did

for the cattle, no place to sell

Like the Caribou was no place for Grandma and

Grandpa to sel I their vegetables.

Yes, they had to, there

was no place to sell the cattle.

So they, I think they were

bringing

them back, and going to put them on some island

near Port Simpson
steamboat,

there and they dumped them over off the

and they lost them all.
~

drowned, or ...

So that was the end of the, the, the

ranching.

~Course, there~s nothing

Simpson.

Wasn~t a farming country.

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They were kil led, or

like that at Port

How did you find Port Simpson after, like there

after ...?

**

Oh, well of course I was so young when we went there

first, but after we started to grow up and go to school, oh
we just loved it.

Oh, just a lovely spot.

right on the beach.

And we lived

~-------~

At high tide the water would just

~

splash up on our, windows.

And the boats coming from the

south, you know, we only had, was it one or two a month,
used to come in,
dock.

just pass in front of our house into the

Or we~d see the boats going to Alaska, they all had

to come in there to clear, you know, support of clearance.

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It was changed

from Fort Simpson to Port Simpson, and all

the Alaska boats called
a week or something

in there.

And then we got one boat

like that, you know.

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Did the climate bother you at all?

**

No, it was nice.

Lovely climate this, maybe a little

more rain than some places but, we never felt that.
was nice there, lovely.

Oh, it

Those beaches were Just beautiful,

you know.

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What was there of the town, and the city, I mean the

village and so on, what was there there then?

**

Well, there was Hudson Bay post, and the steamboat,
~

headquarters

for the steamboat,

Rupert then, you see.

~..---

the riverboats,

no Prince

And there was a government

office,

and then a hospital was built, (brief break in tape) I don~t
remember

it being built, so I must have been quite young.

Dr. Bolton was our first doctor there, there was a

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missionary,

and then then there~s the Anglican

church was

built, rectory was there, then on the other side of this
road was the, there was a road divided the Hudson Bay
property
there.

from the village.

Big Indian village, you know,

When we went there the Reverend Thomas Crosby was

the first missionary,

and ...

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What

**

remember about

(~O YOU

I don/t

Well,

remember

him'?

so much about him, because we

didn/t meet him, but Mrs. Crosby used to take, hold Sunday
school every Sunday,

for two months

Bolton went to the hospital
camries

(?) were working,

the Skeena,

in Port Essington.

Catholics

her well.

do with Mr. Crosby,
Anything

take over the Sunday

or Anglicans

took over all the white children.
thing, I remember

or Methodists.

But we didn/t have so much to

no.

happen while you were there, any incident,
that would be typical

of life there, or things that happened
Why,

She

She was a dear little

growing up there, that you remember,

**

When the

you see, Dr. Bolton would go to

and then Mrs. Crosby would

school, whether

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in the summer when Dr.

I don/t know.

there?

There was of course the excitment

of the Klondike

boats coming in, and then the excitment
----- -------------... --- ---~
•..

•.....

every summer of the riverboats
Skeena,

getting

you know, they had quarters

ready to go to the

down there, it would be

~

at Port Essington
end,

then.

That/s

twelve mi Ies up the Skeena,

oh then when the mine6 et ertec,

great actvlty

you loi.ftmoQ th(lf-(1 'clu6 a

the, the boats had to cal I In to the

office to do al I their, you know, registering of
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government

mine. and their claims and al I that, from Stewart,
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-----~

and AlIce

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c.aP7ne-r V
Arm (?). and all that part. and then the camPY boats would

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al I be. always came into, to, to, I think it was the
ca.p;nerte5

Indians.

to go to their different c~es
(?). you know.
cannert
they, the ~y
managers.
And that, the harbour seemed ful I

--

of boats all the time.

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Then where did you ...?

**

Tugs.

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Where did you go from Port Simpson. where did you

yourse If go?

**

Well, after I left, when I left Port Simpson.

the. came up the Skeena,
as telegraph
operator,

operator

to Minskinish.

there.

but they couldn/t

else to send up there.

I went up
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to the Tomlinson/s

And I wasn/t such a good
get any, couldn/t

find anyone

So I was the one that went to

Minsklnlsh.

and I/ve always been so glad I met the

Tomlinson/s.

you know.

Lived so intimately with the family,

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and knew them. and all this talk about them being funny.

well they may have been funny in a way, but it wasn/t so
strange.

really.

They had their little •..but who hasn/t got

their little funny ways?
they were so nice. and

Yes, oh I enjoyed them so much.

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How would you describe

the Reverend Tomlinson,

the old

man?

so normal.

He was very strict about the rules of his

village, but they were his rules, and every city
~

hasn"t

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has laws,

it?

Did the ...people

in the village,

like these rules?

Did

they respect them?

**

They did.

Very much so.

They did.

As Mrs. Moberly

said, you know, the jail was only used once, in all the
years it was up.

So they must have.

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Do you remember

**

No, I don"t remember

it

there, must have been.
used.

being used?
it.

The Jail?

Must, perhaps, before I went

"Cause I never remembered

It had a bandstand

on it, I think it

looked like it anyway, on top.

it being

was a bandstand,

1"11 give you a picture of

'----

it.

Yes, but I"d enjoyed Mrs. Tomlinson,

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How would you describe her, and what sort of lady ...?

**

Oh, such a nice, motherly

home.
there.

Well, both were.

person.

just ...

So nice

in her own

The older ones had gone when I got

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This telegraph

the first place?

business,

how did you get into that in

Dld you, did you know something

about it,

before you ...?

**

naffte.Oh, well, my sister Methle

sent me to a place

in Vancouver

know, and that/s how I ...
from, from Vancouver,
Seattle

she was then,

to learn the, code, you

And then that summer I came up

and she and my mother went off to the

fair for three months

Simpson, Port Simpson

(1) O/Neill,

and I had the office at

for three months.

And from there I

came up the Skeena then.

And ...

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the office at Simpson before

Well, who was running

then?

**

My sister, Mrs. Boss, Mathie O/Neil 1.

that there was a little Frenchman
Montreal.

What was his name?

**

Koochoo

Trombley.

from ...Quebec,

from

He had it for a while.

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Trombley,

Yes, and before

(??).

Mr. Koochoo.

And before

I think he was the first operator

that was Mr.
there Mr.

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*

What was involved

Minskinish?

Describe

in being an operator.

shall we at

the. your. what you did during the day

or night and soforth.

**

Well, for certain from the hours of the day, from

whatever

the hours,

the morning

I can/t remember now. from the hour in

to the evening you had to be, where you could

..

hear the key, if you had a call come in,
station has a cal I, hasn't
Hazelton was H.

it.

you know.

And Minsklnish

My sister at Port Simpson,

Every

was R.S.

that call ~as F. 5,

-S. Kitsilas Canyon was K. X. So we knew if we were called
for anything,

you see.

We, then the office, that's one of

the rules, the office was closed all day Sunday.

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Only at Port Essington?

**

Hmm?

*

Only at Port, only at Minskinish?

**

Minskinish,

*

Other places were all ...

**

All open, ........•all day long yes.

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I guess you/d adapt to that, of course.

**

I didn't care, oh yes.

yeah.

_

Twenty-four

hours.

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What, the, what, would you, would the messages

go right

through or would you have to relay messages?

**

No, they/d go right through.

on the, anything

from Hazelton

You could listen to them

to Kispiox,

there/s nothing ...at, to Kitsilas,

or to Aberdeen,

down there, and, or Hole-in-the-Wall
""t"

or not KispIox,

(?).

Wiggs was..

You could hear

.....,.

everythIng

that went over the line, you know.

Because,

they/d call. and you would stop to listen to see what was
:;0

-

being said, or you could hear everything
There was no way of closing a ...yes.

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_

---

that went on.

From Hazelton.

What years were that. that YOU were at MinsKinish?

/ 91J6 - /10 f

**

Nineteen-hundred

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Were those the years of the railway building?

**

Yes. surveying.

and six to nineteen-hundred

Yes.

and nine.

They. there was no Prince Rupert

to start with, you know, and ...

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What would be the ...majority

come across

of the messages

in those days?

**

What were they.

*

Were they personal,

or were they business ...?

that would

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**

Some, well some personal

perhaps

for the steamboat,

~

someplace

for freight,

and some business.

you know.

Perhaps

Messages

to call

or ...

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**

That was the, the, used to be the Tomlinson/s

room.

Right

in the house.

Yeah,

they turned

sitting

it into a

little office.

*

You

lived at the Tomlinson/s?

**

Yes,

I lived right with

*

Were any of their family working

the Tomlinson/s,

yeah.

the telegraph

before

that?

**

Yes,

operator

the daughter,
there.

Mr. Graham.

And she married

for a while.

Can you remember

at all?

She was the first

the operator

at Kitsilas,

And from there they went down to ...I think they

were at Aberdeen

*

Lily Tomlinson.

Or newspapers

Yes,

I think they were at ...

any, did you carry news out, on the,
and things

**

No.

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Was there a newspapaper

like that?

at Port Essington

that you ...

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**

No, never at Port, I don't think there was ever a

newspaper

at Port Essington.

There was one at ...oh, at

Kispiox, but that I think was out in Hazelton
there was one in Hazelton

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that.

I guess

at the time, but I don't remember.

Were
..------- you an operator at the time when the Mount Royal

-

sank?

**

Yes.

wrecked

That, I went there in six and the Mount Royal was
...

in seven.

And Mrs., I went there in six, and that

summer, Mrs., fal I, Mrs. Moberly, Annie Tomlins~n,

went up

to work for the doctor and Mrs. Wrinch at Hazelton.

And Mr.

-----------------------------------------and Mrs. Tomlinson were going over to New Metlikapla

(??)

then, and they wanted Annie Tomlinson,

their daughter,

to

come back and look after the house while they were away,
take over the village with one of the brothers.

So she

wanted a holiday before she left, so she got, came home,
she'd been away the year, she came home and got ready and
went down on the Mount Royal, and that's when it just
wrecked

in the canyon.

left Minskinish.
they?

*

Just about half and hour after it

You know, it travelled so fast, don't

Yeah.
What do you remember- about hear-ing about

you, the wires have something

to say about it?

it'?

Wouldn"t

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**

Oh, yes, the wires were full of reports of the, they

could see bits coming down the river, you know.

Something

coming down, and the next thing I, was the boat had turned
over and it was floating past the, the, office, the village.
Well, I don/t know if

I should call it a vIllage or not,

there was just a few houses there.
passengers,

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And, most of the

well, several of them, quite a few of them,

well, I guess they all got off of, to, but I think it was,
was it four or six were drowned?
forget now.

Something

like that, I

I know Mr. O/Keefe the purser was drowned, and

he/s an uncle to James K. Nesbit.

Nesbit wasn/t born then,

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Can we hold it just a second there?

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Thank you.

(Break in tape)

Could you just start with about the, you

went back to Port Simpson ...?

**

After Minskinish,

And, just wondering
someone

I went back to home, to Port Simpson.

what I was going to do when, they wanted

in the hospital,

they were short of help there, I

think the nurses graduating,
and help them out.
nowadays.

I suppose

wondered

if I would just go up

I would be like an aid

So I did and I was there a couple of months when

Dr. Kurgen came and asked 1£ I would stay on and train.

And

I did, I was there the three years, and every summer we went

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to Port Essington
Three summers
one summer

for the fishing, you know, we loved it.

I was there.

Two summers we went there, and

I was sent up to the hospital

at Stewart* to help

them out there, they were opening up a new hospItal
Dr. Kurgen and Dr. Richards.

there,

And I was there one summer,

and after I finished training there, I down to Victoria

and

did private duty work there for years.

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What was there at Stewart when you went up there?

**

They were just opening a new hospital.

*

What was there, what was there at the place, though,

Stewart?

**

Hmm?

*

What was there at Stewart

**

Well, the mine.

itself?

The mines were booming

then, up around

Stewart.

*

That would be before the First World War, I suppose,

was it?

**

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Oh, yes.

Because that, nine to twelve, yes.

after I went to Victoria
on.

Yeah.

It wasn/t

that the First World War, war was

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*

Then there, you remember

Emily Carr coming up into that

country at all?

**

No, that would be after my time because

I think it was in the twenties or thirteis
the Skeena.

Because

four, because

she died in ~forty-five,

happened

I don~t rem, oh

that she came up

I didn~t meet her until nineteen
didn~t she.

forty-

I

to be one who was called on from the registry

to nurse her.
something

And I was with her I don~t know how, a week,

like that.

And, oh I~ll never forget that dear

little thing in this room, the most severe
was sls, her slster~s
kindergarten,

to,

school.

little

~OQm.

It

Her sister had a

and Emily had moved

in with in this great big

school room that she had her pictures

hanging

in.

And her

------------------------------------------------------

little bedroom was off of that, Just plain board wal Is, and
she~d sit up at night and couldn~t
the different

little stories

--

sleep, and she~d go over

that she had written

book, you know, about her trip down to California
experience

in her_
and that

down there.

And over in England,

couldn~t

the English over there.

And then she, wanted

to refer to

something,

stand

she~d say, IIJust bring over my ... 11 she didn~t

cal I it a desk, but you know what it was, her little desk?
An orange box turned up on end, you know it has a little
shelf in it?
Everything

That~s,

that~s the kind of furniture

so severe, you know, no comforts

at all.

she had.
And

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over her bed was a picture of Ira Dillworth.
who got her books started wasn/t he.

He/s the one

Yeah.

*

Was this a photograph?

**

Photograph,

her.

Wel I, he was a nut.

**

Well it was the French teacher at the high school that

yes.

A photograph

went and, and interviewed
manuscripts
Dillworth

of me being so kind to

(Break in tape.)

Emily Carr, or read the, read her

and then she referred,

you know, wrote to

about it.

*

You don/t remember her name?

**

Oh, I can/t remember

it.

But old-timers

in Victoria

would, you know, yes.

*

Several people that were in on this, on this writing

business

**

from different

Yes, well she was the one that really, well, that was

the start of ~lly
her manuscripts,

*

angles ...

Carr/s books coming, because she read all
you know.

Did she have any animals?

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**

Yes.

Well, when I was there, she Just had a monkey and

a, a chipmunk
~

I

'-------------~

think it was, that's all she had when I was

there.
Was she up and around, or was she in bed a lot?

**

No, she was in bed, well of course I was on night duty

with her, but I don't think she could move around much in
the daytime even.

She had some little woman she used to

come in and help her in the daytime, but I was Just with her
~

at nights.
~

*
year?

**

What time would this be, what time of the year, what
What date would this be?
That would be forty-five,

forty-five.
was it, yes.

the fall of forty-nine,

No, she died in forty-five.
Forty-four.

Forty-four,

that

I q t-f?f

*

And this was really her last illness.

**

Yes, it was her last illness.

a nursing home.

From there she went into

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*

Did she talk to you about her pictures

**

Not so much about her pictures,

she went down to San Francisco.

at all?

as now her life when

The dIfferent

experiec:es

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she had there.

And when she was over In, In London, the

funny little things she. humourous.

And, what was the other

now.

And meeting

the ...

*

Up the Skeena.

**

... Indian. no, not up the. wel I yes, at Kitwanga when

she was going into Kltwancool.

She wanted to go in t~ere so

badly and she went of course, the Anglican minister,
Reverend Price.

the

He was so nasty with her, just horrid with

~

her.

And she went and interviewed

some of the Indians,

I

think, wel I I think she tells that in her book. and they
took her in there. and she just loved it in there.
were so nice to her.

Yeah, she just loved it in there.

Yes, well, she spoke of this girl she befriended,
I think her plcture/s

They

you know,

In her book, but the dlfferent

ones

she met like that, she was so fond of, of them, you know.

*

These

**

Yes, yes.

Indian girls?
One especially,

her name is, or pictures

you don/t have to get what

in the book.

*

Sophie?

**

Yes. I think that was one.

Yes. yes.