PT TS Me tie FEATURE head Palestinian fight for a homeland Facing up to the iron fist Naji Farahis a professor atthe University of Toronto and a spokesperson for the Canadian Palestinian Association. He spoke with Merle Terlesky of the Canadian Tribune about recent events in the Middle East and the fight for a Palestinian homeland. Q: What is behind the current unrest in the West Bank and the Gaza strip? A: For two weeks Palestinians on the Gaza Strip and West Bank started to demonstrate against the 20 year Israel occupation of their land. People may think that these kind of dem- onstrations were instigated by forces from the outside? My own interpretation is that it was a spontaneous and natural response to occupation itself. If you have occupation you are bound to have struggle against occupation. The violence was started by the Israeli Government,and its mili- tary against defenseless people and their legiti- mate and democratic sentiment that rejects occupation. When we talk about violence we want people to understand that it was Israeli violence that resulted in so many wounded, detained, and sieges on cities, villages, camps. This has aggravated rather than solved the sentiments of the Palestinian people. Q: Has the PLO played a leading role in events on the Gaza strip and the West Bank? A: I think that all recent polls done by independent institutions and organizations as well as media have come to the conclusion that the majority of Palestinians see the PLO as their sole representative and legitimate spokesper- son of their cause. You can not speak about the struggle in the West Bank and Gaza as an independent phenomenon which only started in the occupied territories; regardless of the gen- eral conditions that the Palestinian people are passing. We the Palestinians think that we belong to one nation which is the Palestinian nation. Asa result of the 1948 war and the almost sjmulta- neous occupation of the West Bank and Gaza has created three categories of Palestinians. * The refugees who were expelled and mostly live in camps with difficult and destitute conditions. * The people living in the West Bank and Gaza strip under Israel occupation. * The Palestinians living in Galilee who stayed behind in 1948 and have Israel citizen- ship. All these people are unified and believe that the solution to their political cause is subject to the restoration of their political rights, and that their struggle is to resist occupation. As well the fight to confirm the right of refugees to return to their land is served by the PLO. This in itself shows the leadership role of the PLO. How- ever, it does not mean that the PLO organizes every little struggle here and there,but that there is a leadership for the Palestinian people, and definitely it is the PLO. I’m not saying that the PLO organized the demonstrations on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These demonstra- tions are a direct result of occupation itself; which also confirmed the right of the Palestini- ans to make the world aware that their repre- sentative is the PLO. Q: You were saying that the demonstrations were a direct result of forced occupation. Canyou describe how the Palestinian community in Toronto, and | across Canada (demonstrations of Palestin- ian support recently took place across the country -ed.) is responding to. the recent events? A: The Toronto demonstration was organ- ized locally by the Canadian Palestinian Asso- ciation. It could have been bigger and had more local support, we needed more time. Yet it was very expressive of the mood of the Palestinian community in Toronto. We wanted to empha- size several things: * We are fed up with the violence of the Israeli Government against Palestinians living on the West bank and the Gaza Strip. We want the occupation to be terminated, and for the Canadian Government to play a bigger role in achieving a just peace that rests on self-deter- mination. * We want to protest the stand taken by Prime Minister Mulroney when he says “‘Israel showed restraint’’ knowing that at least 25 people have been killed and hundreds arrested. We resent that. I can’t understand how he can say it; what is behind such appeasement to a bloody aggression against an occupied popula- tion? What concerns us more is that Mulroney is tarnishing the image of Canada as a non-colo- nial country, and is undermining Canada’s possible role in any international effort to con- vene a peace conference. People in the Arab world will not accept Mulroney’s role; Canada’s credibility is being damaged by such statements. We think that Mulroney’s state- ments will encourage rather than discourage Palestinian youths rising against the occupation. Meeting tanks and guns with rocks and _ determination. t rs Israeli stormtroopers on the West Bank. “Sooner or later the screws will turn on themselves.”’ Israel to continue it’s policy ofiron fist; killing, detaining, deporting people, and finally annex- » ing most of the occupied territories. These were some of the major aims for which we demonstrated; not only to point out the brutality of what’s going on, but also to emphasize that Mulroney is very insulting to the people who support peace and justice. We see that Mulroney takes stands against apart- heid in South Africa. Why does he not take a stand against the violence on the West Bank and Gaza? I can assure you that we will intensify our activity. we want utilize every means at out disposal to make it clear to the Canadian people and policy makers in Ottawa that we attach great importance to Canada’s role. Instead of trailing behind the United States, we want Mulroney to show the Americans that some- thing can be done. Canada has not been taking the same role as the U.S. in Central America. We want Mulroney to do as much as he can to help solve the problem in the Middle East. Canada has a role which must be straight and clear on the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people. Anything short ofthis does not serve the cause of peace and human rights. Q: Could you comment on the trials of Palestinians going on in Jerusalem and the fact that lawyers have boycotted them due to their undemocratic nature? A: This boycott is not surprising to me. Convictions were done at a rate of one convic- tion for every two to three minutes; what type of justice system is this? What type of rights are given to those detained? The Palestinians are being pre-judged. Israel wants to try and teach the people a lesson. They say ‘‘you will be hurt, oppressed, persecuted, deported so you'd better keep quite- don’t dare stand against us’’. It is a ‘continuation of violence. Israel has continued to convey a message of oppression and iron fist terrorize the population. Q: We are seeing signs of internal opposi- tion inside Israel to its policies. Demonstra- tions have taken place in Jerusalem by Jew- ish students opposing Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Do you see these protests growing? A: Many Jewish intellectuals are looking at this. The occupation of the Palestinian people and their homeland deserves the condemnation of all democratic forces. This gives us some hope that the Jewish people will one day face the facts as they are and re-evaluate their relations with the Palestinians. This hope is still dim, but we need to encourage such awareness amongst the Jewish population. They can not say that they do not know of the occupation - they must be more critical. I should note that the atmosphere in Israel does not foster the growth of such democratic forces amongst Jews. Those people who stand against their Government's policies must be very courageous to swim against the current; to **step out of the Kibbutz’s’’. They face tremen- dous difficulties in their own communities. But if they allow their Government to persecute another people and to exercise fascist measures on the Palestinians - fascism will not stay out of their own house. It’s only a matter of time. The system will sooner or later turn the screws on it’s own people; this has been proven in the past = ~*~ 8 and is being proven today. In opposing the occupation Jews are fighting the spread of - fascism to their own country.” ~ “8°. +s Q: The Globe and Mail reported that the Israeli Foreign Minister Simmon Peres had agreed to a peace conference with King Hussein of Jordan concerning conditions for peace in the Middle East. Included in this conference would be the permanent mem- bers of the UN Security Council (USA, USSR, Britian, France and China). Will this have any impact on the current situation? A: No I do not think so. It is not a true instrument for peace; they are playing around and not addressing the real problem. Peres wants to meet with King Hussein, but does not want peace with the Palestinians. They want to eliminate the Palestinian role. For the past 40 years it has been proven that nobody can ever make peace in the Middle East without taking into consideration that the major party to peace is the Palestinian people themselves. Peace will not be made behind the backs of the Palestinian people. Without addressing the concerns of the Palestinian people there can be no lasting, durable peace. Israel must make peace with the Palestinians. There must be the participation of all major middle east countries - and the PLO. Q: What is needed to bring peace in the new year? A: By what Israel has been doing I donot see much room for improvement; and there will be more jailings and more killings. The Palestini- ans will not just sit there - they have clout. We are re - evaluating the problem. Yet two-thirds of Israel’s population think that Israel should use more force. The democratic forces in Israel are most important. Canada must exert all the pressure they can to tell Israel ‘you can not continue on this path - it will only lead to increased tension.’’ Israel “must come to the realization that they have failed and are back at square one. The time is ripe for change. The Palestinian people are determined to restore their rights and achieve self-determination. Let 1988 be a turning point. The Palestinians are there to stay, and Israel may crush our demonstrations, and kill thousands more, but they will never crush our determination and will. PACIFIC TRIBUNE, JANUARY 13, 1988 e 5