Bob likes teaching and has done workshops for Emily Carr outreach program, Kwantlen College and potters guilds in Mission and Richmond. For the past four summers he has taught in Penticton and this winter will travel to the Queen Charlotte Islands under the sponsorship of Emily Carr. He speaks enthusiastically of the travel opportunities he has received and points to the T shirt he's wearing; a memento of his workshop in Horsefly, B.C. The conversation turns to pottery shows. Presently he's exhibiting works at the White Rock Gallery but explains that shows “are certainly not to satisfy my ego. I've been rejected by some of the best shows in Canada". Yet, he is pleased if he can inspire anyone who sees his work. At the B.C. Potters’ Guild Ceramics ‘82 show, he was generally dismayed by the "mean and stingy attitude” of the jurors who chose a mere thirty-four entries from the five hundred that were entered. Bob strongly believes that such shows should be used to encourage and promote new potters, not turn them away. The mural on the floor is almost complete in the hour and a half we've spent together. Some fifty smal] thrown forms he has applied to the clay breathe a life of their own in a wonderful synthesis of texture and design. His work has appeared effortless and throughout the process he has solicited the advice of his teenage son Colin, "business manager and advisor" who doesn't hesitate to respond. Bob looks forward to the future and wants to learn more about his craft and produce even larger murals. When asked if he prefers handbuilding to throwing he gives a perfect reply: “I'm schitzophrenic I like both but I've always had a lot of bad pots to get out of my system. I'm pleased with a lot of my stuff but the really different ones don't come out too often, I'm just grateful I can keep doing it", As for the current economic crisis, he's “floating” through it and is "lucky" enough to sell all his work. Yet this success is not based on market research and current buying trends but on an unyielding resolve to produce what he likes. And it obviously pays off. Approximately half his income is derived from mural production. Apparently he trades murals with his dentist in exchange for dental work! In Vancouver and throughout 8.C. he has sold murals to restaurants, offices, condominiums and private individuals. Several people from the United States also have a Bob Kingsmill on their walls. The price? Sixty dollars a square foot. I look mournfully at a particularly lovely mural and ask him if his prices are firm, "Make your own" he says "anybody can". Perhaps I will and then give it to him. Bob still doesn't have one in his own house: Catherine Racine 8