lf atomic weapons are banned, mankind will only gain’ USSR, but against some other Country, Korea or Indochina, for example, Zhukov: ‘That the United States never attacked anyone is Not true historically, / The United States took part m the intervention against. the Soviet Union; its armed forces intervene in the internal affairs fa humber of Asian countries, AS to the American military bases, i does it not seem to you : at they are located a little too ar from the United States? ! could to some extend justify ae existence if they were locat- State, the Vicinity of the United ce not in Europe: and not in ne Proximity to the coast of = and the borders of the one The fact that they are €d where they are makes thio that they were ae €d as a measure of: se- Very unconvineing. The Soviet : people regard these ate aS a direct threat to them- Ss and their friends. — the Peon} ’ €s Democracies and China. Log hBSbury Smith: This ques- mn Tose in our talk with Mr. Sema and he said that he States understand the United Wantin ; i f armed & to have equality tie strength for the sake Proves Security, but he dis- desi : of the United States’ or superior armed ‘5 That, apparently, is “Me Misunderstanding lies. Gee arecin fact. means aChin.-: strony ne equalization of Where Zhukoy: L Sm certain you did ly, mlerstand Krushchoy right- an bg © location of the Ameri- lifes pp. 2TOUNA the USSR tes- designs the United States is ng Offense, not defense. 4S inderstand these matters. defa = Hestion can there be of far...’ When the bases are so Tee red from the object of 86 ba the United States? d for > Ses have been establish- Geforce © Purpose of attack, not Kj men eeUrY Smith: Our commit- blige ‘o the NATO countries Unite; |S! defend not only the trj, States, but other coun- “Sas well, Hq Carst ' Attay all, whether the Can he me for attack or defense heare UNderstood only by the nzh a Aisa It seems to me that Teg S stlous matter like this S Somers. °SSential. The heart a Mes mistaken. in) e be to e E Sur chject should not ms pack justifications for the Has ang’ Dut to find practical Ossi Means for making war 'stify «YOu, of course, will Persyagy our actions and try to rghtiy. GUS that you are acting litany Surrounding us with We} ases, hut we have more mone for, not agree- IWihian 4 ae i high time, it seems to Gate it i he arms rivalry, & on Places too heavy a bur- ‘ the People, ]j rst. at x Zhyjetilitary men, soldiers and Bisenhower, an i, 2°W to preserve Ne Bist ie Start war. It seems is © Military men are Preserve the peace. je A our country, all ’ cluding the mili- tary men, are anxious for peace and are striving for peace. The Soviet people, the _Communist party and the Soviet govern- ment are unanimous in their effort for peace. It is to be wished that the U.S. government also passed from talking about peace to actual de- fense of peace. Such a policy would have the approval both of the American people and all the peoples of the world. Unfortunately, the internation- .al situation is deteriorating ow- ing to a number of circumstances. For instance, against the back- ground of the U.S. government’s talk of peace, the Taiwan (For- mosa) affair looks very unsav- ory. .I cannot understand why the U.S. government needs that bankrupt Chiang Kai-shek. Am- erica’s defense of Chiang Kai: shek has seriously injured her interference in affairs has vast millions prestige. U.S. China’s internal roused China's - against the United States. Only too often the attempt is made to scare the people of Britain and the United States, and other countries as well, with the. bogey of Soviet armed strength by asserting that we might become an aggressor. That is stupid nonsense. If we had such a policy or such designs, it must be said that we had opportunities enough to use our armed strength. For instance, after the defeat of Hitler Germany, Europe was Sashes Shown here with their director, newly-formed Vancouver Folk Singers. Doreen Thomas, Perry Friedman. Back row, from left: At right is Ronhie Pajala, outstanding young city ac:ordianist. MUSIC very weak and Britan was ex- hausted. When the war ended, the Soviet Union possessed tre- mendous military might. We did not take advantage of Western Europe’s weakness. The talk of an armed threat on the part of the USSR is en- tirely out of keeping with So- viet foreign policy. The peoples are being frightened with the bogey of Soviet aggression with a definitely malignant purpose, designed not for the mainten- ance of peace, but for propagan- da of another war. This, there- fore, must be stopped. The er- roneousness of these assertions must be explained, because it injures the cause of peace. Kingsbury Smith: When Eur- ope and the United States were weak, our diplomats considered that our defense against aggres- sion lay in our atomic bombs. Zhukov: It should be borne in mind that war cannot be won with atomic bombs alone. More- over, at that time you had very few of them—five or six in all —and they could not have beem of decisive significance. Conniff: You are apparently better informed on this point that we are. Zhukov: At that time the pro- duction of atomic bombs was only beginning, and we know from our own experience how difficult that it. Marshall Gregori defense minister. Hearst: In the first world war, General Alexander Sibirsky was serving in the Russian army. He is now living in the United States and is considered a big expert on the use of aircraft in war. Sibirsky and Field: Marshal Montgomery have lately been Searle Friedman (back row, extreme left), are members of the Front row, from left: Ann Pedersen, Mary Thomas, June Phillips, Searle Friedman, Don Savien, Jim. Thomas. * Seeger’s visit inspired formation of Vancouver Folk Singers et October, Pete Seeger, who - is recognized as-one of the foremost American folk singers today, came to Vancouver for a one night stand. Of all those who heard him none was more impressed than one group of young people for whom his con- cert provided the spark needed to set an idea into motion. After the concert these young people: had coffee with Seeger and discussed with him their hopes of establishing a folk song group in Vancouver. He told them it was a fine idea and urged them to go ahead with it. They did go ahead with it. And the proof that it was a fine idea is apparent in the work now be- ing done by the group they form- ed, the Vancouver Folk Singers. As yet their repertoire is limit- ed, but there are no limits to their enthusiasm and ideas. Searle Friedman, who leads the group, says it has set itself three aims: To bring. our Canadian folk heritage to the fore, to “sing the songs of the many tands whose heritage has con- tributed to our own Canadian culture,” and to encourage the writing and singing bf new Can- adian songs. After a preliminary house concert, “a sort of a tryout,” as Friedman puts it, the group, ac- companied by Ronnie Pajala, prize-winning young . accordian- ist, went on its first. tour, giving concerts on Vancouver Island at Victoria and: Nanaimo. Then it. headed for the Fraser Valley ‘for a concert at Haney. Encour- aged by the warm response, the group made its first appearance in the city atthe .Little Paul Bunyan Show sponsored by the national youth paper. Champion, in Pender Auditorium last month. Now the Vancouver Folk Sing- ers are aiming .at bigger things, among them the B.C. Youth Fes- tival for a Greater Canada to be held on Canada Day. If hard work and a willingness to learn and experiment count for anything, the fine idea that germinated with Pete Seeger’s visit here will blossom into a permanent addition to the city’s growing cultural life. Zhukov, recently appointed as Soviet saying that they do not consider the use of aircraft carriers ad- visable nowadays. As far as we know, the Soviet Union is not building aircraft carriers; it is chiefly building submarines and cruisers. What is your opinion on this point? Zhukov: First of all, I want to say that there was no General Sibirsky in the old Russian army. You are presumably referring to the Whitéguard general, Sever- sky, who fled to America. Unfortunately, I cannot tell - you whether the USSR is build. ing aircraft carviers, because I have had nothing to do with naval matters for some time. I cannot say what grounds Sever- sky and Montgomery have for objecting to aircraft carriers. I attentively follow: everything Field Marshal Montgomery Says. He seems to me lately to have turned into something between a soothsayer and an onacle. Kingsbury Smith: I should like to ask one last question. General Gruenther publicly declared re- cently that he could not con- celve thé defense of Europe without Germany. [f you were in Gruenther’s place, would you agree with this, knowing — the strength of the presumed aqd- versary? Zhukov: If General Gruenther knew the real intentions of those he considers his adversaries, he would not be Saying that. ” He would. be Speaking of friendship not of war. As to Germany as a military ally of the United States, I- doubt Whether the Ger- man people would be willing to shed their blood in alien inter- ests. Hearst: I should like to ask you an informal question. Short- ly after my return to the United States I shall be seeing Presi- dent Eisenhower, Would you like to send him a message? _ Zhukov: First of all. I should like you ‘to convey to President Eisenhower my very best wishes. I often recall the time when we worked together in the Control Council in Berlin. We were do- ing many useful thing then. And Our good relations conduced to Sood understanding between our countries. I should like to have conveyed to President Eisén- hower my desire for the renewal of friendly relations between uur countries, PACIFIC TRIBUNE — APRIL 8, 1955 — PAGE 9