lnt rVl w S H Iv RS ALL T August 1, 1985 •••\/a8on thos lots wh r bst r's is now. 'That',wher th ic(."irenawas, wh n '::iW eney was quit the glly. rhat was the sports at t~at t~ • (Hock y) They also had a baseball t a~, I don't r ~ mber who the players w r. The ball dia~ond was on, its arempty lot now, it us cd to be part of'wh re my anc stors hE"r'l th ir vegetabl garc.n. (Q) Where? You know wh re vera Wal ~s is Well, on that lot b twe n that and the school. 'rh sc 001 is on part of the old ball diamond. (q) W r you born h r ? Y s, in 1912. (Q) In th hospital? No, at home. (Q) Were you told any stori s about your birth? T:1y had midwivec- th n, I dOll t that thE.e was anybody at my birth. .h;xc pt for my moth rand f'a t h r. As a matt r of fact th v\ r the only ones in most of, all 0.1td ~r tw lv chil-':r n. (Q) 'vh r fer you born? At ho~ , right in/th hous it was t no t ~OUS t he n , I t i i n b for • .r- thatburnt down. I don't thjnk t ne was anot r 'iouse thE:.~ (Q) Where? B tw e n Simon' f' 110us , my br-o t h rs ho us (~) laa that th old hous h had, t on thRt burnt down Y s, thpt wes not too lon~ ago. That was practically the only two stor y .iouse , y on know, peopl L1'" G attics but not two storey hons s. You know it w a on o~ th bigfest hous s th n. (':l) What year W~ I w~s born? S that? 1~12. (~) VhHt was it lik h r when you w re us about som of the changes~- littl Can you t 11 It was r ally v ry nlC. I had a vGry happy life. There was a lot of us in the family and w had our fri nds, that would com and vi~it us. Th r was a f w t at w could visit but not too ~any. w r brought up to b v ry strict, b cause my gr-andr'a t.hr was th chi f of the town. Gi.dam Guldoe was his name. My t'a t.he r was also a chi f and my unc.Le s w r chiefs. So I ~wQuld b •••we would be what th y called Indi~,rl princes and princeAs SSe We had to behave, a~~olut lye And an Indian princ r.nesn't do this or princesses, or nothing. (Q) You had to be very r spectable~ You had to be very respectabl~ Bnd very kind. You give allowanc s sort of. This was what we w re brought up like, giv allowances to thos who are low r than yovr-seLf , We wer tops, so it was easy to give allowances. When I think of it now, its reAlly very comical. That's how the Indian people brOufht up th ir children. (Q) Was it a ry class differ nt classes? oci ty, like was th r quite a f w Actually wh n you think of~it now, it was a very class society. eut they wer v ry str5.ctWl th the bringing up of their childr n. Of cours t:1y b cam chr-i st i ene ; For sam r ason or anoth r they had the spiritual knowledg. Even b fore they w re vhristians. So it was very asy for fuheIndian people to adopt Christianity. ( ) What type of housing was available? The houases like th.y +have now. You saw the house that that was burnt down not too long ago, well th house we had b fore was similar. It burnt down too. I think I was born in th 0ne that WeS ther befor. I'm not sure. ( ) Did you ev r 1 ave ~azelton? Only to go on trips. (Q) You n ver 1 ft for a period of time? No, n v r. I had no int ntion of 1 aving az Iton. ( ) Did you know t.;ateline? Yes I know vat line. "T 11 us about Cateline." He was •••l b li v h was ~art own r of the pack tr&in. my father uwned hors 8. My father us~d to work for him, b caus (Q) What was your Lather's nam ? . Tammy Muldo' (Q) Did you know My Willie. (.Q) Did h illiam uldo ? broth r. ev r wor-k on the tel graph line? On the pack train? think so. 'fh telegraph line. No, I don't '. (I was looking at alot of stuff at th museum and Wil iam Muldo was mentioned in a lot at th t legr8ph stuff.) Excepting to haul, th y haul d fr ight. This was on of th things th y did. Th Y had, my father and brother had horsEs, gr at big hors s. dad owned sam of th hors s that ~ re on the pack train. ~om other peopl did too, I b Ii ve J ff's dad, J ff Wilson, I b lie~e h had horses that w r us~d on the pack train too. (1) What about llav Yes, he w~s on \iggins? of th work rs on the pack train. ( ) Getting back to vateline, what was he lik ? I remember him as a bearded ,_whi t e bear-d , down to .i i s waist almost. nd where he liv d, he liv d across the river you know we us G ot have a bridge across the Bulkley there. e liv d across there on the f18ts, there us d to be quit a s ttlement th reo That's on of the places wher the steamboat, not the steamboat, the paddl whe 1, us d to stop. I believ to pick up mat. It brought dried goods, you know, that goes into the store, and other things like that. ~~uit of course, orang sand wha t not. tlUt it did pick up mea t. 1 t{i.er• (Q) And it would take that m at to •••? To Prince (Q) up rt or whereev r it To a butcher shop th r "a gOlng. probably? Y s. (~) Did you v r see a pack train? Y s, 1 've seen lots of them. hors s on the p ck train. (Q) hal w re th y like, w r animals? A~ I -"oldyou my f'ather own d th y like just a big mass of It was a bunch of re-lly nic( an:~als, th y hRd to b in good shape to b able to uack over t'lOSE: mount.ai ns . lily father and his brother, BiJl,they both worked on the pack trpin• ..... harli vli.L'ford war le then you'r th only on thing on it, on yukw~. ~o fuhat's how this was.- So that how this was. Ayukws it's lik a box, you know, lik a jack-in-the -box, this man jumps out. (Q) Were vou acti v In any spor-ns? I was a m mb. r of th (Q) Hazelton softball. ladi s softball (Q) I was younr. tam? ( ) vid y)u guys gp on any trips? Nell, just around all when fo Smith rs or anywh r ? the vi.Llag s , You n ver did any outtsid travelling? Not th way they do now, to vancouver or anything like that. 'd just go to different villag e' when they had sports da~$. May is usually the sports da~s, all of May Th y'ld start at Kispiox;May 10th was ussally th ir sports t day, (~it.anmaaxwae the 15th of May, t.. n Ki tsegukla and Ki twanga on the 24th of may(I want that on there cause th y're claiming our day).A1ways dominion day they aid, of course they changed vominion days,was the 24th of jI~ay,butthe gov er-m nt has si.nce chang d it to t"le first of July. The T~zelton dpy usally start d on t 15th, 16th, 17th it would usally take thr days So th~s spring w had a pmtlatch supp r to mak peace. ~ut the Kitwanga p op1e kept sayinr that dominion day waR tt.heirs. () Did you hav a The Girls w wer w~nt d the position, pecial name for your team? call d. I was a c=t.hcherb cause no one I had to b t I brave one. Ls S0 'I'he reason why the t.e e n br-oke UD though was bec.au s we w r-e always •••doing mbroidcry work to s 11 them to raise mon" for our tam. W tiad quit alot of man y," but we still had to chip in v ry t i « -w had to buy a new bat. W didn t have any gloves, each layer had to supply their own. And we felt, now that th t a~ had money, shoul .upply th glov 8. You know, at least th first ba eman's glove end th pitcher's glov , and a cathc r's glov • I caught without an glove at all caus I c~uldn't afford one. The bats, we figur d the team should provid baj.s, Ens t.e ad of everyon chippinp in all th time. Which was a hardship for sOme of :tlp girls. but our ld~rs at the time didn't 8ee~ y -to-ey with this so, on day th y d cided to, you know, kick on out of th t am, you know, sacrific on to sa~ the r st. What happ ned, th rest of us wouldn't pbay , 1, e form d a team, w started t 1. -ia »LeL afs, b Cqu.(.th y reb lled against the rigidn ss of their manap- r. ( ) ~er th r money tournam nts? Or was it just a sports day? Oh yes, wi n you w nt to tournaments you won mon y,~ (Q) s. hat kind of prlze mon y was th re? C2n't rem mber. It wasn't ~y interest, 1 didn't giv a hoot I just wanted to play ball. Not enou.9'hto pay for 01 r expenses, becaus we had to hir SOm on t J tak us to th tournament. T.l:l~t' e why we always had to b holding bake aal. s or any.t;l ing to raise money. eut w did have quite a bi t of men Y":.-" (1) ~ut that was their own ~on y? , 11, the t am money, y s , ( ) No t ous d dollar touranmcnts h? No, but I think thE,Jprobably had about an 800 first prize. had enough 110ny that VI could aflord t'Jpay for those glovts and bats ard so iort". Instead of havin th girls chipping in all th tim. vo that was how'i~ was. (Q) Do you know anything about th t 1 graph lin ? I kn 'v'v ,Timqot ter who worked on the tel graph Li.ns, 1 b li v e bill lackstock worked on ,thl-t. 1 grB')hlin. 'rh..sar the two that 1 know, t he,: 1/, 2\.... ot.he'S t.nc r-c, because tie \ ha..cer t.e i n diff rent cabins. 'l'h y had to b serviced' too, by t.h p,ck trains .. (~) You couldn't ell Pus ('2) reelly 'Ec... vo» nev r hpd NO, of cour . li d, th y hauled (1) What r ill mber much about the p opl the t 1 graph line? that I knov of rnc t hr-t's .a l.r, any real involv 11 nt wi th th tel gr-aph line? not. My fe t.he, \.< one of the p onl their suppli s out. ~> L did t e p ovLe do for work' iha t supp- ere? Th re 'Irs nininf' h r at th berinning, thE: logping and t.her , was no oil or nv t.h i ng like th t, so it V'las[~ very pooe t.h i n : to ~ood for the pE-ople. cut anc, suppl (Q) SO they'd g t a certain amOl1nt for ~" c rtain amount of wood? rhey ' s s 11 by th cord, and you ec t he r f't!">ure'!ltS , and th Qot Is, v n th boat, I b li vc, h d to lave wood to k ep it going. I'h s ' d pick up the ir supply on t.he way d JWn t he river. That wa...a good Luer-at.i, v e busin ss f'or-anybody who had her-s of cour se , to "=' haul tne wood, t aa t ' s how thE; people llF1d t .ei r '10._:. A t tW of t.• € Lnd i.a ne t.ne had cattle a n~ d for . sup ly Ol ~~tf. becaus th _"T> v as aI c ys Li kc . par nts rais d cat 11 E'nd pigs. Th.J uS to br e.d p~gs in the eum n r, .then s 11 th por-k wh nth s ' r( just t h right Slze. Th y supcli d th restu~rants, and the DolE c'mps. You 2.ny wh r-c there v.as [1 group of peopl\;..·o at, t''1-.? '0 sup ly that. That V.8 S my 'nother's project ac cor-d i nz to my fath r , the cows and pitS WEerc my mother'S. h nc>we had our chores to co, rny fahter ) would sry Il ~ve you fef your moth r's cows?" Th hors s v. re my dad's and sony mother checked to s if we'd don our chores sie'd say "Hav you t' d your dad's hors y t?" (0) TTOW did t.he people get by wh n I'm sure I don't ~now. I know vcr took relief, from t he Indien (~) Ev rybody t.n e re was no work? t €~ ..W rc v ry few p ople who ("nt. usu[1lly had a job? They haj th ir own, yes. ()) Jobs weren't re lly t at hard to find if = au look d? No, anybody whos not lazy can c rtainly nak th ir way. l'nere was always th cann ry, th y go to the cann ry's ev ry summ r. Nobody that I know of s m d to be verv hard-up. Like I said, th r was v ry few, I can C Lnt tl ill on my hand, who v ~ took r li f. (Q) Was it very much? T:l y d i.dnrt.: g t very much, it rC. lly wasn't wort.h it. I remember th coup L , the t'at he r-chad t vb , and alot of children, .a>9.00 a month th t's what h got. ( ) Did v cu or anyon clos to vou go to war? My brother was in the army, my n phews, th s cone war. ( ) Vere they killed? No, my husband was also in the army. () hat was it lik h rc when th war broke out? What were th attitudes of the people? I know t:';, didn't like it but t :.er was nothing t hey could do. (I') Th Y just kind of accepted it? Was th 1'e much 01 an.in£lux or an exodus to th war? Did the aEea chang much during-the war? I don't think so. Not that I notic d. VI had quit a number of ~oldi rs around, that was all th re was. B caus th y hsd. ecaus th y had to guard th bricg s, yOU know, th railroad bridg s You'd seth m around just bri fly, in their uniform. Oth r~than t~ t the Silv r Gup mine and t~e ilv r Standard min op n dUD. b caus of th war. Of course there w s the peopl that cam in to man th mInes. fot very many local p€opl w~re working then. (r» So tl1re wasn't a real change fro'Tl when the »ret: went on? (Q) h n you w r young what did you do for excitem nt? e had lur own gaoes at home. (Q) What k'nd of ga.TIes? h~d just, usually, questionnair games, sort 01, I think it was part of our education. ~xcept that you made it a game. Much. mor fun to tach, if you make it a game. ( ) What about adults what was th lr major type of ent rtainm nt? h r was a lot mor to th fasts 'J.'h Y had th feasts th n , 'Itorfun to th m than th y ar now. Like th y always had th ir fasts in th winter tim when v ryon wasn't working. Th y put on th ir f ast~, you know, lik th burial of this p rson or raising of a pol ~ ¥irst of all th Ohi f would go out and invit peopl. m 'd aLwav s have his r gaL'i.a , ~o th y go rout. and invite, this would ttak days. That p r~on or vhi f you wer inviting, would put IIp a show for you call d Halit • That was an evening of fun. (~) Fast w nt on for w eks? Oh yes, we ks. Then when they come back, th p opl who wer invit d , would have th welcom fast. I rem mb r th m having a w lcom feast right below our hous just on a big field. It was a moonlit night, the worn n always pr par scarv ,and th y danc right infront of th ~hi fs and th y put it on WhOLV r th y want. Jut it was fun. G I r m mbe rwas upstairs by the w i ndow , we t ch i ng t.hisgoing on , it was a moonlit night and th r was a show going on th ground, so you could s everything going on. That wa th r nt rtainm nt. Th n the feasting, th n th farew 11 aft rwards. So it took days som tim s w ek • (Q) Yh n was th last fat that you can r ill mb r ? A big fast lik that? h n Joshua Campb 11 put up th ir pol • Th y put on an yukws, that had b n giv n away aIr ady. But so on had com and chopp d th m off th pol. (Q) hat kind of activiti s took place in the community hall? Th (Q) fast nd Indian dance , w ddings. ~hat do you ram mb r about about weddings? Usually th w ddings were white, th y marched on th stre ts from the chUBCh to the hous to the community hall. Th y marched with a~band, a real nice band too. (Q) Can you rem mber an of th shiver ·s? Mostly that was a whit p opl custom. I r memb r, w w n out to out to th Kispiox Vall y, that was th last on I can r memb r. It wae Jack L and Francie Lov 'e. W had a big truck load of p opl , this wa at midnight or whatev r, w arriv d th r and bang d on th door. They accepted us so th y wer xp cting us. It was fun, then w 'd hav a big party. 4 (Q) Did anyone ver go on hon ymoons ? Some did, some didn't. (Q) Did you go on a hon ymoon ? suf No, w w r married during th d preee10n. r during th depres ion though. (Q) What was th depression lik e didn't rally ? To t 11 you th truth, T didn't notic • The only thing was that I didn't buy any cloth s, b caue I got marri d, th n my dad didn't buy Pnymore clothes. I dare not a k my father for anything. (Q) Did you notice pric s going up ? Oh yes, the prices went up, we could g t a dozen t n cents. Imagine that. ggs for Ae compar d to b for th depr ssion ? I didn't buy any groceriee th n, w simply w nt and charg d things up to my dad. I nev r really pay d att ntion to pric e. But I really pay d att ntion aft r I was marri d. That was when (Q) I r aliz d things coet mon y , cause w had to pay for it. At th sam tim too, my husband w r etarting th r bueiness. So ev ry li$tl bit of mon y counted, it w nt in to buy th business. So w would buy our gge by th crat , put th m in a wat r glase, b cau th pric e went u~ in th wimt r tim • It went up ae high as 25¢ a doz n. You could et them for ]D¢ a doz n. ( ) What about fresh food? during th winter. Mostly 1 ttuc and carrots. Ie planted tho. • You put th m in a root cellar. Any root vegetables w had, w w re nev r with out. Th n of co rs w had our fruit. ~tr moth r mad Jare of fruit by th hundrede. (1) Wh n did th »o La.ce.man first com to Haz 1ton? I haven't the foggi st idea. (Q) Can you r m mb r any of the polic m n' nam e? I didn't hav too much to do with them. I only heard nam e of th m wh n Simon Gunanoot murd r d that acintoeh guy. Th r w re quit a numb r of th m around then. I wae too young th n. ( ) You couldn't really t 11 what they w e lik ? No. ( ) ~hat.~ r th main buein s s in town and: 0 ran th m? Ther was th stor sand th r etaurants, Dick Sargent had a store, udeon Bay had astor , th r was another etore - a g neral etor • and there was th Larbvorthy Store. ~illiam Holland had a tor, Mary'e fath r. Ju t down th corner by Dia Offic • ( ) Can you r m mber Adam'e Drugstor ? No, I can't r mb r that I wae not allow d torro down town. W w r only allow d to go down to the Cunningham'e stor , It wae down by th Library. (Q) What was the (.;hinse «,,;ornmunity like? I wouldn't ay th r was alarg (.;hin8 community. Th r wae no chines wornn, Th y juet cam r c ntly.Th Chin ee that had a r staurant h re, they went back to China to g t marriad. Th n th y ca~ back here, but th y nev r brought their wiv e,~h y w re left in (.;hina. (Q) Who was th firet to hav 1 ctrmcity ? Dick Sarg nt. I don't r m mber what y ar that was, but h wae the first to hav it. ( ) Wha t was the powerhouse lil:e? It . was dovn where th old laudry us d to b , that was Dick Sargent's too. Le chong own d th laundry. Th pow rhous was on ,upplied the lectricity allover. that lot down by th riv r. (1) Did he supply th peopl (Q) whol to n ? Peopl paid him for th 1 ctricity. YeR jU8t the tOVInand th had to pay him. A a matter or fpct, h did the wat r. When did you first get up by th for try? 1 ct icity from the old plant I can't r m mber date8. (Q) Hav peopl chang d in th( years ? es. Th r '8 a lot more drinking going on now. P opl don't glV quality for the work they do. Th y jU8t 8 m to b puting in tim for th ir pay chequ s. Th y arn't roud of th ir work nowadys. (Q) Th Y wer craftsmen? Yee, now they don't car ( ) Did church s inffluenc about th lr work. p ople ? I can't say that th y do now. Oh th y w r 8trict y s, but not a8 strict as th y wer then, Everthing has chang d a littl • (Q) Do you r memberth coming of the railroad? No. I was the first to rmd in on Thatwas in 1912, in my mother'e arms. (Q)Do you r memb r th th Public school. though, of my family. Amalgamation of the Indman school and I wa a v ry busy per80n during th Amalgamation. I'll tell you why I was involved, during th war becaus th r wa no chool for the Indians.