PROVINCIAL LIBRARY PARLIAMENT BLDGS VICTORIA BC ~ Gitskan-Carrier claim talks begin The provincial govern- ment was subtly criticized by Skeena IM Iona Cam- pagnolo at an historic land claims meeting at Kispiox yesterday. - ', ‘Campagnolo was ‘speaking at a Gitksan- arrier. tribal council meeting between: representatives from the seven tribes of the Kispiox Valley area und Hugh Faulkner, minister of Indian affairs and northern Development, to commence land claims - negotiations between the tribes and the federal government. The B.C. government _ committed itself to land claims negotiations with the Nishga tribe in nearby Nass . Valley, Campagnolo said, and it also pledged to negotiate with other bands. “I think those words should be remembered today,” the MP said. Campagnolo was referring to the fact that B.C, Labor Minister Alian Williams has since stated on the rald Serving Terrace, Kitimat, the Hazelfons, Stewart and the Nass \ VOLUME 71 NO. 131 Price: 20 cents TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 8, 1977 , 2 aug Federal government representatives were welcomed to the Gitksan- Carrier talks May question RCMP > in house bugging OTTAWA (CP) — Com- mons. Speaker James Jerome said Monday he expects to announce today whether or not the RCMP will be brought into.an in- vestigation of the bugging of Conservative MP Elmer MacKay’s parliamentary office, An AMC FM_ wireless microphone was found hidden in a chair in MacKay’s office on Halloween. A few hours later, the same private detective who swept the Nova Scotia MP’s office reported finding a “listening device” in 2 telephone in the conference room of Opposition Leader Joe Clark, ‘Bell Canada technicians have indicated that the “listening device’ in Clark’s telephone is a normal piece of equipment. Clark said Monday ‘we stand by’ the private in- vestigator’s report that the device could be used from outside to monitor con- versations in the room. Prime’ Minister Trudeau last Thursday accused Con- servatives of planting “phoney bugs” in theli offices, drawing demands that he back up the al- legation or withdraw it. udeau wasn't in the . Commons Monday; neither were Solicitor-Gene Francis Fox nor MacKay. Trudeau was returning from a weekend of skindiving in. the Bahamas. Fox was in Montreal and MacKay was in Halifax. Jerome was expected to rule today on demands for an apology from Trudeau. The Speaker indicated in an interview he will an- nounce whether or not the investigation will be tumed over to police. The investigation so far has been in the hands of Parliament Hill security _ personnel, who are limited In their powers to follow clues beyond the Hill: jurisdiction. Justice Minister Ron Basford complaine: Monday in the Commons that the RCMP have not been allowed to investigate because the matter is still under the jurisdiction of the Speaker. NO ONE ASKED Meanwhile, James Walshe, president of AMC Sales Inc., Downey, Callf., said in an interview no one has asked for a check of sales records to trace ownership of the device found in MacKay’s office. AMC is North American: ‘distributor of the device, ‘which is advertised in Fiopular Science magazine and costs $19.95. Walshe said AMC would co-operate with any request from the RCMP or FBI for a check of mail-order records. Walshe said a person would have to be out of his mind to use it as a bugging device. It was a low- powered device that wouldn’t transmit more than 100 feet‘indgors under | ideal conditions. . A search by military personnel called in by Hi security men has found no other electronic devices in the last week. A number of . members had asked for sweeps of their offices following the MacKay and Clark reports.., Meanwhile, Clark said he is satisfied with Fox’s statement during the weekend that the McDonald royal commission has_ the power to summon Trudeau and present and former solicitors-general to testify. Election laws reformed in bill OTTAWA (CP} — The Commons granted approval in principle Monday to a bill reforming the country’s election expense laws after the government bowed to opposition demands. for a ban on anonymous political contributions. Deputy House Leader Norm Cafik told the Com- mons the government would adopt a “flexible attitude” during detailed committee study in- return for op- position promises to speed passage of the bill. Opposition Leader Joe Clark, who led a combined opposition attack that ac- cused the Liberal govern- ment of smuggling in changes to the bill opposed by an all-party committee, said he was gratified with the decision, - The opposition had charged that the cabinet ignored the rec- ommendations of the committee that would have banned anonymous donations to political parties and imy a ceiling on expenditures during elec- tlon campaigns. © The government wants to Ss amendments to the nada Elections Act by Christmas so they can be. implemented in time for the next general election, ex- pected in the spring. All opposition parties said they reserve the right. to oppose the bill if the government fails to keep its promise. ; a number of occassions that the province is only holding “discussions’’ with the Nisghas rather than actual negotiations, Campagnolo said that the Gitskan-Carriers* support both the federal and provincial governments through taxes. She spoke of Weather Cloudy with showers of snow mixed with rain, tending to rain more as the dya goes on. Overnight low around minus one, high Tuesday of four degrees. with a traditional weicoming song. supporting a ‘fair and just settlement” for all people in Canada which would ensure that hunting, fishing’ and trapping would be an ongoing right. The Gitksan-Carrie negotiations ‘‘will deter mine in a very fundamental way the nature of society's committment to justice, ity and a basic’ com- mittment to decency,”’ said Faulkner. "I commit myself and the government of Canada to enter into negotiations in that spirit,’’ the Indian affairs minister stated, and emphasized the point that other governments should join in negotiations in the same spirit. . Bho Ore Faulkner spoke on the significance of the land claims issue and the historical importance of this meeting to the Indians, addin t land claims are “equ historic for the non-Indian.”' pier ee ee More photos page 9 the development schemes of public and private en- terprises whichhave altered the Indian life and culture and have not included the needs of the Indian people, ‘The future must be different,’’ states the life imprisonment. TV was responsible for woman, ' TV addict gets life sentence — MIAMI, Fla. (Reuter) — Ronny Zamora, 15-year- old boy convicted of murder in the - “television insanity” case, was sentenced Monday to ‘The sentence carries a minimum sentence of 25 ‘Years in prison before parole is considered. The defence said that watching too much violence on Zamora killing an elderly so-called ‘Ugandans take WASHINGTON {AP) — Up to a dozen Uganda police helicopter pilots are taking a “refresher course’ in Texas on visas obtained from the United States, the state department confirmed Monday. ; The training is at the Bell Helicopter . School at Fort Worth for pilots using civilian models sold ta Uganda up to 1971. While the pilots will be permitted to complete the course, a department spokesman, John Trattner, said: “We are tightening up procedures” on visas for Ugandans e African country is ruled by President Idi Amin. Hundreds and possibly thousands of Ugandans are believed to have been killed as opponents of the regime. The US. has no aid programs for Uganda, but American coffee companies paid an estimated $150 million for Ugandan coffee in the first six months of this year. The coffee money is Amin's principal source of foreign revenue. The state department spokesman said there is no 5. government "‘in- volyement”’ in the training of the pilots. He said their visas were issued at a U.S. t, possibly in Nair- enya, by American field obi, Re US. training officials using ‘‘their own discretion.” Travel by Ugandans to the US. is “possibly in- compatible” with Uganda’s ‘record on human rights and therefore the procedures tightened up, the spokesman .added. The training was described as routine customer service by Bell. Another firm, Bell Augusta of Italy, has sold Uganda military versions of the Bell helicopters. Department officials said they first learned of the training at Fort Worth from press reports last week. Had the department - known about the visas in advance “my guess is that wé would have reviewed them ve seriously,’’ Trattner said. Representative Donald Pease (Dem. Ohio), a member of the House of rese : national relations com- mittee, has introduced a bill to bar the import of Ugandan coffee. The state department has is- couraged the move. Douglas Bennet, assistant secretary for congressional relations, wrote Pease in September that the Carter administration supports “free trade’ in most in- stances and doubts a boycott would be effective. “Our aboriginal righis and title to this land have never been extinguished by treaty or.by any agreement with the Crown,”’ stated the Gitksan-Carrier declaration read by William Black- water, chairman of the tribal council. ‘‘Gitkssar and Carrier sovereignties continues within these tribal areas,” he said. The land claim takes in an area of 20,500 square miles and ineludes the villages of Kitwanga, Kitseguekla, Gitanmaax, Sikad Kispiox, Hagwilget and Moricetown. The tribes have suffered many injustices, the declaration read, including declaration, and the way of life for the people must be recognized, protected and fostered by governments. At the same time the Gitksan and Carrier people will continue to excercise sovereignty in the areas of education, social and economic development, land use and conservation and local and regional government. “We have waited 106 years,’ the declaration read, and now serious egotiations require mutual and positive participation by the federal? government and the provincial govern- ment, “Let us begin negotiations,’ the paper concluded. “‘Recognize our severeignty, recognize our rights, so that we may fully recognize yours.”’ About 500 people gathered in the community hall in . Kisptox to listen to speeches oO were from band chiefs w dressed for the occassion in ceremonial robes and the response from the ministers. Some of the speeches were unintelligible because of the breakdown in the public address system in the hall and others were spoken in Carrier, but most of the chiefs referred to the first land claims question made by their forefathers in 1908. A speaker from Kispiox, Alvin Weget, compared the meeting between the two sides to meeting a pilot car on the road which reads “wide load.” “You wonder how wide the load is going to be,” he said, meaning that he is uncertain what will follow the visit from Campagnolo and Faulkner. B.C. won't recognize Nishga rights claims VICTORIA (CP) — Allan Williams, the British Columbia cabinet minister responsible for Indian af- fairs, said Monday the provincial government is not prepared to recognize . the concept of aboriginal title to lands claimed by the Nishga tribal council. “This matter was tested in the courts of Canada, in the Calder case, and the decision at the court wt appeal in this province is the decision that is presently extent,” Williams said. The labor minister said, however, that his govern- ment is working on a reply to oP 5 i on, . presented to the federal and provincial governments April 27, 1976. He said the response should be in Nishga hands well before the Jan. 12 - deadline imposed by the tribal council last week. “But I would have dif- . ficulty recommending to the government that we go so far as to establish a seperate state or principality within B.C. which is based purely upon ethnic background,” illiams said. “That would be a very serious move for. any provincial government to take. I don't believe the Nishgu themselves would want that to happen.” Williams said the provincial response had taken longer than an- ticipated because ‘our examination of the elements of the Nishga claim, and the whole question of aboriginal rights and so on, has been more lengthy than we would originally have thought possible.’ He said that the claims extend to matters other than just the creation of a 5,000- uaremile area for the Nishga. This, he said, would in- clude “the whole question of ec within those lands, the exercising of some elements of control, rights to hunt and fish—these have never been clarified—and those miat- ters which are themselves élements of the claim and can be discussed between the province and the Nishga people.’ The minister said the urpose of the negotiations is to ensure the Nishga the enjoyment of those lands which: are historically related to their tribe. Charges rightfully - dismissed in spill VANCOUVER (CP) — Former federal en- vironment minister Jack Davis acted properly when he blocked pollution charges against Burrard Dry Dock Co. Ltd., David Anderson, of the British Columbia Wildlife Federation, saic Sunday. Anderson, representing the federation at the West Coast oil ports inquiry, was commen! on the release of a government memo that revealed Davis’ action to event charges from being @ against Burrard in 1974. Davis, now provincial transport minister, as federal environment minister vetced a rec- ommendation from a senior Environment Canada of: ficial that charges be pressed against Burrard use of the dumping of dispersants. he information was made public Friday at a hearing of the inquiry here. Davis said that policy at that time concerning the use of dispersants was un- certain and that he felt he could not prosecute one amall user when the depart- ment of transport was also using dispersants, Anderson said the Kitimat Oil Coalition, which is op- ed to an oil port at timat, B.C., and coalition lawyer Marvin Storrow made an issue out of Davis' action. The former provincial Liberal leader said justice _ department lawyer Arthur MacLennan should have matle the documents in- volved public without any fuss, instead of opposing their release. Meanwhile, George Hewison, 6 kesman for the United Fishermen and Allied Workers Union, said union representatives left for Ottawa Sunday to try te convince the government to invest more time and money in the inquiry. Hewison said the union is concerned that the inquir: may come to an early end. More time asked in ports study OTTAWA (CP) — Representatives of the United Fishermen and Allied Workers Union (UFAWU) are to meet Environment Minister Len Marchand today to ask for an extension to the Thomp- son inquiry into oil ports on the West Coast, Jack Nichols, the union president, said in an in- terview that there is also a need for assurances of financial support to groups intervening in the inquiry. Groups such as the UFAWU, which have hired resource people for the hearing, need guarantees of continued financial support to be able to retain these ple. a environment depart- ment spokesman said the government has already extended the inquiry to March 31 from Dec, 31, The inquiry was set up this year to examine a proposal to build an oil terminal in Kitimat, B.C. But its scope was broadened when the terminal proposal was with- drawn. Nichols said he had not re- ceived any indication that the inquiry had been ex- tended into next year. A more realistic date would be September, 1978, ‘‘to give us sufficient time to make sure the inquiry will go into the whole question.” He said Andrew Thomp- son, the University .of British Columbia law professor heading the inquiry, has been in Ottawa twice recently to seek an ex- tended mandate and more money. Nichols said Fisheries Minister Romeo LeBlanc and Transport Minister Otto Lang would have to approve an extension to the inquiry. The union officials also hope to meet those ministers ay. Nichols said the inquiry has been hindred by nat having any actual pipeline proposal to examine. Late Flash Monday evening Hugh Faulkner, minister of indian affairs, met with the Nishga council in Terrace. After the meeting, he sald that the federal government has a response to the council’s 21-point claim which they are prepared to for- ~ mally present as soon as they speak with the provincial government. Faulkner made no comment on. Labour minister Williams’ statement that the provincial govera- ment is not pretared (o recognize the concept of aboriginal title to lan @ claimed by the Nishga tribal council, Both Faulkgeappd tribal council leader James Gosnell agreed that th eeting had been a positive one. No further details were available at press time.