fiavid and Mary Dodding • David Dodding born August 13th 1929 • Mary Dodding born Febuary 17th 1933 • Tou were'nt born nere ? Mary ,no I was born in Alberta • You were born in Alberta ? David .no in B.C. in Merit When did you move to Hazelton? David ,I moved in the spring of 49 and I got a job at the Silver Standard mine on 16th of May in 49 • Vou were married then ? David , no no • Mary, I came to Hazelton in 52 I was working, I was he Iping out in the missions wit~ the church, came in as miss:on for the Pentecostal church. ~ow many members in your family ? Mary ,we have five children. Thei~ all grown up ? Mary, yes their all grown up ,they all live in Hazelton the majority of them. What was "Iaze Lton 1ike whenyou firs t came ?"You 've seen it grow and change. David, well the old hospital was thereand the building Sargents old store ,the old telegraph which is now the band a~fairs of~~ce is now I do'nt know when that was torn down it was am • Mary: Sargents store was down by the bank lOttle ways there ,just about the old police station that was down there and the old police station and Sargents store was in the corner was nretty well right there ,off to the side • David ,no Sargents was pretty well right where it is now in the same area but they • ffary, telegraph office was in the corner . David ,telegraph office was over by the band. ~.~ary, where the band was ,ya • David , oh there was qiute a change alright ah just open just bush land .My mother this here wa~ investgated it ~ound out it was still avilable .She loaded me the money to purchase it .And my grandfather came through ,1 do'nt know when it was he said it was 6J years ago AUary , 38 or some thing like that he came through here r 38s David ,must be,cause just about washed he came by here on packhorse out crossing eh he the Bear river t~e Suskwa Mary , ifr Manning ,John Manning • David , John rlanning and he had just about lost everythi ng there crossing the Suskwa cause it was in flood he got down to Hazelton ,and he sold his pack horses and he got paid off in gold nuggets and my oldest son ,he gave one all his grandchildren ,greatgrandchildren gold nuggets. Now the Kendalls should have one eh we Terry Dodding has one • hen he went down to Rupert by Steam boat • Steam boats were still coming up in 38 • Mary , ya "or anning John Manning did • ~ay be you could start out with where did you first move to when you first came to Hazelton? David , well we lived in the ~ouse that Bensons Gloria Benson is living in now. And wha t was +wo mile like then" that David, well there was'nt very many houses ,there was on ly a few down in the bottem area a ah the house were Lou York is it was Malard there were Andy Senits trailer is he tore it down a few years ago a the one right next to it just up front he the fourth one building fourth dwell ing up from the road was a house t~er~ and l.~aleingslived there. Mary , rfacCreey Li.ve now • David wheie that triler was now its pulled out and there Mary, store that store sitting on the corner now nut it all remade allover was a little 2 mile store little pos to~fice in there .An old log house it was just burnt dow resently was pulled up there where the Forsyths live was where there was a log house was sitting there .T guess was about as far as the houses went to • uavid t there~was the Browns • Mary , oh ya the Browns across the • ~avid ,or the Blackstocks was it the Blackstocks guess eh their house in Bensons first I .After we lived there for one winte and then we moved to .Theres a log house do you know the Lorrings .Right acroes there a big high fen ce there but not around the house but around the barn the house is the a log h~use and I do'nt when that was' buil t pretty old log building was 'nt dove tailed then -;,~ ther~ was a little shack there was two shacks Mary, right across road from~it was a little log house now made into a one where Allen Berg ljves in now bUtL . that was just a tiny little log house just a very small then ,smaller then this room here Halbert Ha ••• David ,the Hewey Macmillon lived another place all built with big poulare logs thats were Bruce Parker finaly bou ght that property and got rid of the old building was a hang for fire trap • Benson made some cabins there small buildings they rented out to some of the miners ,in time they bujlt them bigger and bigger bigger all the little houses are all added to and addon to we bought the place mother bought the place from David Goodrich .He had Q Chevrin gas station in New Town at one time ,one of those have you seen one of those old ,one of those old hand pu mps ,pump it with a great big glass bowl on top. Mary t rrJ..'iangel motors ~it was called 1'ri angel motors or was called T~i angel ESSo • David ,Chevron • Mary ,ESSO ,C"'~evronthen turned ESSO later on diOf'it ya thats David , Tri angles Down 1'own ,no that was in New Town in New Haeelton David had his pumps over there. ~ary ,oh ya David had his pumps over ther~ That was when you first moved here ? David ,yes Mary ,49 Where did you move to when you came here ? Uary ,1 moved to Al Benson then my husband was already in +his ether log house .AI Benson had small ,1 lived in th Benson property now t~ere was 1 was staying with t~e pas torI now Jeffrey Veal started the Pentecostal church In Hazelton I was with them for while ,AI Benson hadja cabi~ made a small cabin and lived in it David , A 8' by 16· cabin was a cabin they used in the bush those days • Mary and I stayed that cabin till we were married .an we were married end of 5? ,I arrived In begining of 5? and we were married in the end of 52 .I moved back to Alberta :or almost a year to Medin~ Hat .Then we came back for a year then we went down ,went back to Alberta for almost 3 years went to bible college then .So then after about 54,56 55 ,56 .we moved back again we,ve been here since Through the years you must of seen how much its grown? Mary ,oh ya its tremendes ,there was nothing where we are living right n;w .There was no homes what so ever. there W8S nothing in the lower part of Two Mile as you go on befor you come across • David,this Mary, has been all built up here since 77 • ya just in 72 this upper part has been built up here in Two Mile we were the first residence up in here we had a fire in our ho~e so we sold proprety cause we owned a majority of this around here this lots up in here We had a fire we moved up here we sold property where the building Your children Mary and t~js came ~rom two mile startedbuilding • all grew up here ? .yes they all grew uo here our oldest son has the ESSO garage station our second oldest drives dump trucks and 2 other 3 well oldest girls live over in New Town • They all live in Hazelton. What sort o~ job did you do ? flary ,my sel-f'T have being a house wife worked a li ttle bit just, little t~ings I've never well I worked as a cook for a little while .My husband started here at the Silver Standard mine for a good 9 years 8 years dad • David , I started working for the Sl~lver standard in am in spring 49 and then down and then back and then back worked for them untill they ~olded up in 58 • Mary , was about 8 8t years then am ,folded up he atarteQ worl<:ingdid you work ya no Rim use to be what did old am Sou th Town use to be it was, n t Rim then was it nor vWest star it was oh it had another name for it ~or qiut a few times • David oh that first one I worked for a little logging little out ~it in New ~owm~. Mary oh you worked .por Bev Hobbes • David ,from that mining I've worked and the bush mostly • in saw mills mostly Mary , cause he worked the Rim saw mill • David ,Hazelton sawmills. Mary ,oh ya Hazelton sawmills for qiute a few-' ears for a couple you drove a school bus for 1 or 2 vears ,for a couple you drove school bus then you quit school bus and went back to Hazelton sawmills he went back to Stege for all most 14 years going on 15 years so hes been steady with Steges for all this time. David, not hard to when a clamity hits you its not hard to remember and that was in 70 .1 was hoping kinda to get a retirement job or job I could retire on was,nt so push ing and so T got to driving school bus and I was hoping to get janitors job .The janitors lob did,nt come up ,we lost our house in fLre so I had to go back to the bush agian so logging. So after you became a house wife in 5~ you did,nt conitu in missionary work ? Mary , well I kept on working there after I was married I ~ept on working in church and things like that to to make ~ull time of it no ,I taught Sundav school an we dj f~erent little things like that ,but I do still teach ,.~ Sunday school .1 did,nt go into it full time I was wanti ng to go and branch out from here I was going to branch out but1:mapried in stead so never did 1 was hoping to branch out but I did,nt • What was New ttazelton like? Mary ,what was New Hazelton like it was very small it : just had ,it had a store were Suzies Deli is was the sto re in New Town • David ,cafe • Mary ,was a ca~e no it was a store. David ,the store the store was down there on the old road came into town I do,nt know what they call t~at str eet it was down below eh you k now were the hall is the old road came down on the other side of the hall and it come up on to street in New 'rown and Willens had the sto re in New Haaelton and it was down there where Juhaze is a ah • Mary ,his apartments there • David ,he got his apartment he renavated it and put in apartments • Marv ,New Town was the sma'lest place realy South Town was a matter o~ a little just station with very few home~ well its tremendusly built up New Town particurlybuilt up • David, hotel and garage there across from it • Mary ,ya those two were there when you first came uavid , the hotel was realt reneveded then what it use to be realy qiute a diffrence .The New Hazelton and the ,one .New Hazelton is,nt too much diffrent looking tnen what it was when we first moved here ,the one in South Hazelton they really renovated it and made it look. mary ,it really beensbu i Lt up ,Arts garage use to be Art garage • David, Art Warren Kevin Warrens dad use to own it • ~ary , that was only thipg then ~ guess tfuewere or righ beside the garage over futher were those ,a little tiny building sitting were a whats his name still living ther but he put a trialer there that little tiny shopto oh th house right next to the garage use to be a little restur ant but its a house now 1 remember that where we first q came Johnny Genarl was the'I"te that old on • David ,Sargents were the ,they lived in New 'flownbut they had a store in South Hazelton. Mary, ya that was Sargents that has,nt changed ,thats about the same old building a face lift that was about " the only t'1.ingthere just very few houses just bush same thing with New Hazelton was mostly bush and things like that • David ,well the mine when it started up made everybody' start living ln Ha7alton New Hazelton ah from then on it just kept on growing .The Red Rose I guess started up du ring the war an an-'they were looking for Tungsten a bit of gold but they did~nt amount to realy very much. Silver Standard was what realy took off cause they hired a hundred and some odd men at one time • Mary ,when we up moved up here ~avid was the Mohawk mine going • David ,no Mary ,just a look out eh • David , bring lotsa prospecting around but nothing to , nothing to amount to any thing Silver Standard was they struck it ,got lucky they came were am after whats his name McBain old fella discovered the mine way back in the 30s an then petered out they came to a fault and it pete red out ,and if you knBw what a fault is ,its two layers of rock shifed li~e that eh ,the seam came to end here. Silver Standard figured there was something there ,they started dimond drilling down way down found another good vain and kept them going for till 58 from 47 to 58 som~t hing like that 47 takes awhile to develope and build a mine • Did you know people in New Town ? Mary .~Sargents David, old Sargents ,Willens. the Willen boys were truckers Marshell brother were truckers the Hilbachs • for New Hazelton, for O,d Hazelton and also Mary , Carl Christianson he was the one owned t~e hotel Hap Leary their still around • David, I do,nt know just when-they came around Gordon ~ Leary had a saw mill over by Silver Standard mine • Mary , in two mile I guess were the only ones left in since 49 ,all most of the older people have all pasted away • David , Gloria Benson seach up few more Mary , who else would there be Kendalls,grama lie Senden • uenden,Rol David J they had the "enden had a dariy farm you know" were that was • Mary ,right across from Rollie Sendens welding shop • David ,just past it you see a bunch of burnt stuff and he turned his barn and dariy into a restarant and pool hall in behind it ,Just qiute a few years ago it burt do wn ,time,goes by and you do,nt realize it eh Mary , that a since you know 7? was when we moved here was 7~ alreadv ago • its 87 so its way over way over 10 vears ~hat about old Hazelton ? Mary ,lets see Sargents house is about the only on~ ,the police station ,Sargents house our church • David ,Marshells building trucking garage all the cafes ~ary , ya that an all the c2~es ,that ~as just coming in ~rom the school ,actually only things have but the bank that being rpnovated the band office been renovated • ~avid , being built the old telegraph office was torn down ,went vacant for qiute a while • Mary , the old telephone office mainly ~argents old buil ding pulled down and new one put up there was,nt nearly that much progress • ~avid ,there was qiute a few houses in • Mary .ya the new ones coming out into Ksan part that was never there ,there has,nt realy been. fhe new house oth er wise theres not that muchan there • David , were May Simpson lives old chinese fella had a resturant there we use to go there quite a bit an Joe Ha~ Mary , Mat Miras place that now turned inti the ,all fix ed all fixed up now the unemploYment insurance .Ya pretty well the only street that sitting there is house at the corner ,and Tri angle are about the two older places the re .Theres a Li. ttle 'change a Li ttle face Li f't s in Old Hazelton David, Marie Panter I imagen its as it was. Mary ,Marie Panter its fixed up shes face lifted it a bit David , old building right across from May use to be the .J indian ~epartment ah house • Mary ,the one that use to be the unemployment insurance now they moved across • David, right across from that just kitty corner to that you know when you come down that hill there when you walk down this well its the two story ,unemploYment was,nt there • mary , ya it was it was in there now its ]n Mat Miras place ,was then ya • David, it was oh • Mary, where the pool hall to be ah a • David , drug store • ,Liquer store is now it use ln Mary , drug store ,drug store ~n there something ware house sort o~ • else David ,what did they call it ,what do t~ey call the shop were they moved in there on the corner • Mary , use specialty shop David, specialty ya that corner in t~at corner were the liqure store is was specialty shop. Mary, specailtv shop is still were the video is ln • David ,they changed it took the na~e from there put it over there .But it use to belong to Booth ,mr Booth. Mary ,alot of people quite a few people have corne and go ne in there still quite a few of the old people in there I guess Hazelton has still in there people that were the re ,they have the o~igjanl down there ,these the Smiths David , Uarie Panters husband was the postmaster for sometime it was in the old Miras building .Quite a few changes down in the~e if you went over it and just looked it over you'll see the diffrence • Where did your children go to school? M·ary , Two mile the majority went to fwo mile till grade seven except the youngest one • ~avid ,Terry went to Old Town till .J.. ••• Mary , Terry went to till grade ten then he went to ferrace and graduated there ,the other ~ids went ,starte~ f:om ~wo Mile then they went to Old Town .Brenda went there till grade nine then she went to Terrace .She mov~ went to Alberta just about completed her grade there she did,nt graduate .Bart went there to old Town school,till grade nine then he went for year to Terrace went to school till grade 10 then he qiut .Then Miles What was the school like a one room school house ? Mary, no it was like it is it was pretty well like iflwo Mile one was one room school house • David ,was,nt it a two rooms. Mary , two rooms tes from 1 to 7 then they moved • David ,up the Silver Standard road its still there is still being used • ~.~ary, t~ey taught from 1 to 7 then they went to t51d Town And Old Town is oretty much the same? Mary oh no t~ats been added on to all diffrent size they ,ve added very ,alot more school class's put on to that David , ya thats another maze a jungel add en to and add ed on to eh .'T'hatssomething on the agenda build a new .. school clai.m its fire trap down t~ere. Were you envolve~ in any school boards or chamber of Commerc Mary ,no David ,no Did you have any family rpunlons Mary ,no never realy David ,not here but we went to a ,we went to one where I come from but not here • V{hen you came you sa i d you were involved wi th church wer~ was that Mary , the church is dowm in Old Town L"entacostal church down in Old Town • Was that there when you came ? Mary ,oh yes ah • David, it was United Church befor I do,nt know what it wasbefo~ United were still~using church .Then it was used for school .We it for school while they were using it for church ,then the church took it over .That was when the population was expanding qiucker than the school was so they had use diffrent buildings around town as class,s. Marv ,the teachers went from room to room. Bo you have any stories of from when you lived here? Mary, there no I do,nt think there any excitment around ,Hazelton that I can .Not that I can recall. David ,I wish that .I. had a picture ,some of my mothers :1 pictures .Sut the .l.wo Mile grave ~ard was started by few old gentalmen in ~wo ~ile and they started clearing land in one little corner .My grandfather though he is'nt bur ied there •W~ ••. had a picture of him wi th an axe choping 1 bush,s down .~e community Hazelton ,hazelton to Kispiox vally • community grave yard Mary, grampa A'"anninghe settled down in here he came back and lived in a little cabin in Two Mile here .He ~2 was the gardener down in the hospital ,he planted trees and looked after the gardpn ,supplied alot of the ~resh vegtabls and that to the hospital. Dav.id ,he was up in his seventys then when he did +hat • Mar:v , and when he left here he was gone 5years 6,7 year he was al~ost a hundred David ,when he died • years old when he le~t Hazelton Uary , when 'he died I should say • David, when he leC't Liazelton he was in his ninties ary , he died 2 mont~s short of a hundred down with his children down in Summerland a beautiful job on his garden • What sort o~ entrtainment Mary ,he moce~ back so but he did did you do ? , no we do,nt do • David , were not much ,much not o~~much any sports we • Mary ,we did,nt do to much entertaining no we are strict ubstainsh from everything we do,nt go to • ~avid , we like picnies and stuff like that where we do a little bit o~ sports. Marv , but to do any thing else no • Day~d ,to go wild over a ball game or a hockey game no we do,nt do that • Mary , 10 none of the ~ids did either some OD the kids well a couple were ~ast runners won a few gold medalsbut tfuats about it but t~ey realy did,nt get into sports. David ,Miles went on a bike a thon that started in ~rinc George and went down to Kamloops across up to • Uary , took the whole loop the loop • David , Kamloops to Prince George to Revelstoek • , Bamfff ,Jasper and back Mary , took one big loop ya that was a churhc group toge ather from !errace.-,they enjoyed them selves .~hey calle him the wipe out king cause his bike was pretty old , cau~e he was alwats wiping out for something his tires broke or something ,had to rescue him sel~ with his tire ,it was fun. The yearjust.,befor the fire ,we had a fire our oldest son was on a runa thon from Terrac~ they ran in relays all the way down to Vancouver and he had.i meda'le from people down there ,talk to people he had road runner suit ,called them selves beep beep road runners or somet hing like that ,and when we had the fire he lost ~veryth ing ,nothing to show ~or it ,but those were just some of the feats the kids dim • Where were you living befor you had your fire? Mary , where we were living down ah right just over here in Two Mile over here • David , where am r.~athewVickers lives their • Mary , ya well right there our home was in there~ How long did you live t~ere ~ David , oh from 5~ or some thing like that • Mary , 57 ,Brenda was born in 58 and we were in there ab out a tear so was about 57 we had our home there • David ,57 to 7~ • Then you moved up to this place ? ~ary , ya we had a trailer ,up moved trailer on top of this place and then we moved It this section on • the trailer off then we bui Do you remember any flood or bad winter ? Mary , oh ya that same year we had that fire our house was burnt we moved Down Town in a small 8' by 12 , littl trailer with an addion to it that year the flood came • David, 8' by 20' it was. Mary, 8' by 20' to me it felt smaller but any way' it wgs •We were there and it flooded to Old Town flooded out ,',I: we could hear the water slapping right on the door step of that Li.tt Le trailer ,against P,e trailer like that • The children and ,we had to get out we had just come from fire moving away from a ~lre and all of a sudden ,all of this flood water .Weiwere sure was going to to come in and wash us away, but did,nt cause it reci~ed .But we ~ were there moved away from there ,then moved back after a while we moved to some ~riends in New Town ,B~t that was the year t~ere was qiute a flood down there in Old T own .NaturalY it woulded reached us way here but that J" year t~ere wassa flood that was in 72 • ~hat was qiute close to the river? Mary, boat that was it was sitting right next to t1-:eriver David , right were the memorial is now where the memori~ river boats down there ,but the memorial out by the litt le park use to be an oh that wa. another place use to be a old garage there , you get to thinking long enough you remember lots o~ things • ,[ary , thats why I, say fire a lot of quietions you,ll remember things • Did you do any commerial fishing .or farming? Mary , we did·..• have a farm if you want to call it that we had a cow and some chickens and horse and a ,I was a ·.V·" aveid gardener ,I did enjoy gardening ,I still enjoy gar dening we had qiute a bit of garden ,still love my garden I still keep it going ,we did enjoy a bit of a farm a chicken a few goats • ~as that here ? Mary, that was down ,place over here ,burnt. David , the one t~at burnt out • Uary , Davids mother in law Jives in log ~ouse she had they had farm animales ,so they we had a few aniamalee like that oall it a littlehobby farm • Did your wholr family move up here ? Mary no I was the only one my'n never did ,his mo the r.: 'and brother and sister ,his family moved up here • David , my grandfather was here my older brother .1 got hurt in Merit saw mill ,he said well opertunity for a better job up here where it woulded be quite so hard on my back thats why I moved up then my mother and sister, moved u~ in the ~all • Could vou name those people your brother David ? , ya Llovd Dodding my mother was Rose Dodding married again to old gentalmen named Johanson she and then ~ mv sister mrs Kendall mrs Anne Kendall John rtanning my grandfather • Marv , he,s the man we talked about died 2 months ba~or a hundred vears • So thats about 4 members of your family l~ved in Hazelton .~hen your family ~ollowed you up ? Mary ,no my'n are all in Alberta • David ,they li~e to come for a visit but they like to stay in Alberta • What was that highway here and Smithers? David , you can imag~n like between here and Terrace and ,what take hour and hour hal~ from here to Terrace ,and when we firsi moved here it took us a least about four hours to get to Terracp. Mary, David r oh it took more five hours ma~be • , took you a good four hours or more eh to get to Terrace ,and to get to Smithers ,it would take you about two hours now you can make in about in • ~ary , cause that was just a cow trail or what ever you call it "ou'd have to stop little like little byways to let other cars go by in the canyon David ,marvolous improvement .~here well me being • ary , my coming ~rom Alberta held my breath all the way through going through the canyon cause it was just wide open spaces in Alberta ,coming here and trees now that river was below me .1 just sat there bjtting my na~ls and just about pulling my hair out I'd say use to scare me so hard .My poor mother just coulded stand it she came out from Alberta .She just about had a heart attack just going across there • What was the Kispiox vall~like do you recall? Mary ,oh thats changed use to be just a trail and you drive along there that new ,thats beautifu] all fixed up now you can get there in 18 IE minutes ,befor you use to crawl along • flavid , alot of the old people have passed on there was the Loves was there ,~~arty Allen ,Jack Lee of course they all married the ove girls eh • flary ,of course thats all changer] t'1ats realy chang=de David, and the old gentalmen in the hospital ah ~eb Cam bell • ,ary , t~at has realy improved out that way that wa bush ,now ots f'arms and farms ,di+'ferent people vou do'nt just even know there was one there vou know I was driving alo ng there was one you know all hidden away .Just like dri ving out to South ~own drove along there the other day '1 not being over there ,that way out just tak~ng mt leasur Iv drive or something amd I came out ,I for got the road that I wanted ,I was surprized driving down there and' house ,places where t'1ere use to be trees theres a house I, there. When I first came here we did'nt go out a as mis sions we did ,nt go out to villages we did what we did was reach Hagwilget ,we went into qa~wilget and we meet some of the older gentalmen there and then later when Mr 1feal left Jack Williams came in as the pastor and then , he started rpaching Kitwancool out to the di+'frent villages Kispiox ,Skeena Crossing .So I went out qiute f'ew tim es ,and we got to know the people out there the churCh .People and visit wjth them and got to know them and enj oied t'1em and became apart of some of them so that ,that is where it progressed alot in there ,that is were our church grew out from just a hand full from just reaching out .Jack Williams evrybody knows him now cause he,s been here over 38 years ya I guess he was the man ,he lives i~ two mile yes he's been here 30 years or more. there use to be log runs on t~e river at one time Bill Vissermen was telling me • David , ya just the other side o~ Vissermens there use to be a log shoot were they'd shoot the poles into the ~ river ,another nlace where they'd shoot the poles into .'. the river ,another place where they'd dump there poles its probibly all grown up now what they call smoke house cabine up on fis~ery road ,was a place there they'd dump poles ,dump right of~ and into thp river. Mary ,were's fisheries road ~ David ,well you go up not qiute up to four mile bridge t~en you take of~ go up by the Salmon river road. Mary, t'1ey use to have river boats come down we missed those days though I guess Willie R~id put a big boat on t~e river I do,nt know how that got along I guess he got so far and he had to take it off' ,never paned out he nev er went down on it again to go river boating agian • David , wel he got almost under the Hagwelget bridge pret ty gough going in there •"'he on Iv trouble t.hey had 'I was there intake for the jet would get out of the water eh so rough a water • Mary, so that was pulle' out river boat, David , no that was just a jet boat that was 20 boat 18 or 16' foot boat some t~ing like that with jet in it • l\]fary 0: do,nt think to many people have tried boating on that river when they do always seem to end up in an acci dent or something •Well you got to know what your c doing .us t like that young docter ,+his was a young docter by;: four mile bridge and he come along ,he went in and a cur rent of some discripion came along and took him under yo ung docter just graduated ~rom medschool he was drowed so you can never clear river not with those rivers. David , so much trubulance and whirrlpools and you got to know ,you got to be an expert 1 do,nt know if there i~ thereto many people come down t~at from the bridge You did,nt do trapping David , no • or thing like t~at ? What was the hostital like when you ~irst came here? Mar" ,oh it qiute David , a three story building I guess • Mary , ya a three story building ,thrpe story building ;1 ya it was not bad but but it wa crowed type of hos~ital 4to 6 sometimes 9 people to a room .Not to bad but was pretty run down type o~ hospital was always pretty good nurses bac~ those days, docters were docter Whiting ,do cter Paulmer few ot~er docters sed him cause he was good • ,docter Paulmer kinda mis Did you go out in the bush besides saw mills. David ,ya I done ,when I first come here they were horse logging • Did you do any of t~at ? David , no I have,nt. anything here ,I did befor I came here .All of the pole most o~ the pole men ,all of the polemen when1 came here were skidding with horses .Then Harry Simpson was first one to have a cat skidding logs there,s been a vast change .tteally the first amount of log~rng was done ,I guess by a ah narry Simpson .That is logging there was lotsa poles being taken out but the ac tual logging and Skidding to saw mills was done by Harry Simps9h and a ,a Leary Gordon Leary .They had to my reco llection had fipst saw mill that did very much then after oh ~ do,nt know when Hazelton really opened up eh • saw mill came in then it vour grandfather he never told you stor~es of what Haze 1 ton was like when he first came through did he .~ David ,oh he probibly did but we've forgot about the only story I related to you about the o~e of him coming throu gh ,the old trail use to come through about where t'tis ~ road is now main road • Mary, Babine ed on • He menchen David trail he called it thats the one he travel any thing about the old telegraph line? ,no but I logged and got telegraph wire caught up in in my cats tracks wav up the Kispiox .Some thing I : would like to see is the old telegraph line restored, bridges pit back in where there are canyon they crossed You remember what Hazelton was li~e in genaral ,you,ve, been her~ qiute a few years Ie '( ,diffrent familys in Tw 0 mi David , Parkers they moved in a~ter 58 when Silver Stand ard shut down ,Silver Standard shut down few people then one o~ the old fulleas ,one of the old fellas that the Parkers in , well the original house that the Parkers they just tore down and rebuilt around~the chimmeny Mary , the old fire place • David, cause its got silver Ip.ad and zinc imoeded fire place • Mary ,and thats still there David, fellas working into the fire place • ln in the . at the mine got that and put it Mary , and thats still there • David ,so Parkers about ah the oldest of the new +'amilies moved in here Forsyths Marv , Forsyths • ,Sherman ,Jack and Erma • David ,those houses down on the road there where Jack jfilliams lives well it was buil t about 50 5" rary , ya 5? the year I ~irst came moved here in 50 • David, an ah all t~ose houses along there were built in very short time o~ that there are three houses in a row there othere side o" the road you turn as you go down c > here you turn to go to l~ew "'own do you know where uack',,' Williams lives • Mary, those two houses were built by Jeffrv Veal ,pastoran he built it one other in between ~evel they moved they sold it .~he next oneS to Sevel were Kornelsons Veal girl but Art Kornelson built it • .Also David ,Kornelsons they were another • Mary , They have just moved back a L'i t t Le b i t more ya " they have been in here as long as we have .O~d focks bet ween New Town and South ~own ,John and Edith ,John could tell you qiute a bit • How did you travel in to this area ~ David ,bycar • Mary ,ya we came by car • .•.. It must of being a rough ride? Marv , it was took you a good long time you go slow. David , I think it was good n4 hours from here to ~asper By car « David ,by train. Mary ,ya by train it still takes that long,you go slow. David ,whenI ~irst came in here it took us about In hour from Prince George now you can make in about 5~ hours • Mary, I would,nt drive a car I would,nt get my drivers licence but they improved the highway so much • ~avid , spring tim~ there,d be frosy biols ,fall in any' you,d just fallout of sight • Marv ,as I said nothing to spectauarl happened here. David ,cause we do,nt join much in social area o~ the communi ty Mary, we,re devote christians we do,nt go to socials and drinking part~es things like that we just do,nt go to things like that ,so half the time were home people we do,nt go out to alot of t~e things that may happen around ,but we just do,nt get out were home peopl~~ David , even the logging feastivals I never bother going there evsn though I'am a cat skinner and loader man. Mary, he,s all of those things in sDwmill he runs he runs the planner green chain ,edger. David r-eaaw vtnev do more than that these days now things are running are all push button. Mary, well you did that when they were,nt push button you were running them you did that ,how do yOU put it yoV were jack of all trades. David , jackof all trades and master of nothing Was that bridge from South Hazelton • to Ks n here when YOv were here David ,no Mary ,no it was washed out David , a year or two befor I got here • It all started it was a hotel I was working for Bruce Parker ,were he,s got his shop now ,I was working for Bruce ,I was cleaning up around back and we found a cash well there was qimte a few of those old cashs in Two Mil~ a evidently there at one time was n:oo people between here and Old Hazelton ,all prospecters an allover the place ,where my mother was living we found copper tubing some one was using for a still and the pit holes in the ground where they dumped there bottles ,garbage and stuff .But right behind Bruces across the ~reek there from whe re the hotel was ,1 ~ound an rooting around these bottle~ and here everybody in the country was coming here and taking these old bot t Le s •Bruce wanted to save some of \, these ,youlknow ones with holes in bottem deep recessed holes ,That was a hotel that Gunanoot case started from Marv, ya its qiute exciting that Skeena destiny is anoth er.one if you ever want read about Hazelton thats realv funny Bill Vissermen stayed in Two Mile • Mary, oh he came into Two Mile lived in Blackstocks 1 place its burnt down .He had a cow then that was when I was expecting my first son they had come across and the girls would bring me milk all the time ,1he girls well Christian must of being about In tears old .1 always had to drink milk ,docter said I had to pour myself a bowl of mill so tha+s what I did .And Bill came there and tha ta how we got to knpw them the Vissermens .After that t~ey moved out the farm from Two Mile Where did they stay ? Mary , just below the hill going that way on the right side there was a big tall building Blackstock owned it • it burnt down Bobby - David , where you go down in stead of turning where you get to the grave yard turn that ,instead go staight just therp. a little bit down the hill and at the bottem of the hill y6u'11 see ah these barn and some shed there, theres a white house then theres a trialer with a joey shack on it is old Rollien over the spot where the old house was • Mary ,Ken Rollien thats where Vissermens moved to Two Mile ,We got t.o.iknowthem ,thats what they lived when they did thats how we got to know them thats how we got know Mr Vissermen .Thats ah thats when they brought then they moved out to the farm • David , we left at nine 0 clock at night and we got to the -f'ireat twelve oclock after running stu~f we had to get around the milk into cliffs and them .After we put out the ~. -f'irea couple of days later we ah we went up above timbel line to get some grub so the bears would,nt get it and brought 'it down to camp ,that was my first fire I've ever being on .My second fire on an either Hope orPope fire Mountian I spent four weeks on and I let my beard grow I did,nt shave it of,f till January then I shaved it off. That was a pretty bad fire ,I do,nt know how many acras ,but some o-f'the guys just about got eaught whenthe fire turned on them about one was a Ron West was forman of th at crew they just bearly got out • Marv tell him about thebear • David ,oh oh there was a bunch of guys I was straw boss an crew ah we were putting a fire ,fire along a trail am ,I come along a trail ,and I come along up the trail I see hoses shooting up in the air and theres no fulleas around so I went looking l, for them .Here they were on the and a bulldozer had come alomg had come down pushed the trail pushed all the trees down to the lower side and '1(; here they were amoungest the trees sleepen so I crawled in underneathe ,below them and I got up with in fifty (feet of them and I started shakjng a tree and growling ~ and making an awful noise like a grizzly and they just got up there and took off up trail as hard as they could go ,I had ,I could,nt control my laughter so they did,nt go to far they were sure scard boys .Well I just grabed this tree and was shacking it::-:Dor all I was worth eh they' did ,nt see they just took off they diid,nt wast any time I guess that was thr only interesting thing about that f fire some of it pretty· risky some one could of being hurt or lost ther lives. The bears would come down lotsa people seen the bears come down the hill side it qiute bear ,and they go down the ridge through the grave yard and go through our prop erty on t~e other side we had a garden Miles was going o~t to ,we had a cow barn on this trail wa about 75 to ~ IJO feet from our house and he was walking along the trail with his head down ,all of a sudden he saw somethi ng in front o~ him he looks up and heres mr bear and the bear looks un about the same time~and around and high tailed each way a they both tured Mary ,skid marks each way. Dav~d , and I went out to investagate sure enough there were bear tracks were he t.uened around and had .taken • I think the bear and the boy were both scard