PAGE “a THE HERALD, : Friday, February “3, 1978.

Two released _ __. Former

from B.C. pen. denies knowledge _

BC, (CP) — Two
hostages reported to be ill
were released by five

soners Thursday at the

ritish Columbia
Penitentiary, as -
hostage drama continued
through its sixth day.

Prisoner Dennis
Hailes apparently not
part of an aborted escape
attempt by the five con-
victs Saturday, and his
wife, Laurie,. were
r el eased.

within an hour at the fed-

eral maximum-security

prison, leaving the
risoners with seven
tages.

Mrs. Hailes was taken -

to hospital in an am-

bulance. The condition of .

both hostages was not
known,

Inspector Roy Pickell
of the RCMP said Mrs.
Hailes was released
without any attached
conditions, but Hailes
was given up in exchange
for the drug demerol and

_ a case of

Pickell said that Mrs.
Hailes told police when
released that her
husband ‘‘was not well.”

He said arrangements
were made Wednesday
for the hostages to make
outside calls.

- The tor said that
negotiations with the
1

continuing. He confirmed
that police had ‘received

ctures of the remaining
tages from the
prisoners. PROOF
WANTED be
The five prisoners had
demanded during ==
negotiations W day
proot that guard Roy
asuda, knifed in the e-

cape bid, was still alive.

Police provided a photo of

the guard in hospital. in
return for pictures of the
hostages. prisoners
were given a camera to
photos,
Yasuda, 32, was
reported in improved
condition Thuraday. .in
héspital after’ being
stabbed four times dtiring
the break-out attempt. He
was ‘a guard. in’ the
visiting ‘area where the

uo UCM s-ue-cesge .

occurred, The hostages
also were in the visiting
area,
The guard was stabbed
twice in the neck and had
his jugular vein severed
in the attack,
Jack . Stéwart, a.
kesman for the
madian Penitentiary
Service, sald Wednesday
that Yasuda was within
30 seconds of death after.
the stabbing, «=.
Stewart said a prison
nurse. reached the guard
shortly after the stal bing
wher he staggered out
the visiting area, where
the prisoners. set up
headquarters with their
hostages. ae
He said the nurse, after
travelling some distance
from the prison hospital
in the main celiblock,

stopped the flow of blood.
The nurse was not
identified. ; —
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Stewart said Yasuda
will suffer ‘no long-term

physical disability’ and

the .

Bauer,
o stage’

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now is able to waten

television in hospital.
Prison officials iden:

tified Joy Atkinson, 18,

Katherine Saumer, 45
Patti Araki, 17, and
Lorna = England = as
hostages released

earlier,

- RCMP have said there

was collusion between
some of the hostages and
the five prisoners in the
escape attempt Saturday
morning. A car was found
outside the prison,
located on the banks of
the Fraser River east of
Vancouver, and con-
tained clothing, food,
drugs and some .38-
ealibre ammuntion. The
vehicle had been rented

‘that day from a car

ency. .
*Ehe five. prisoners are

, Brice, a con-.
vieted contract ‘mur-

derer, Steven Albert Hall
Richard Wright, David
Bennett and Ralph
Saumer. One. of

Yeleased hostages was

Saumer's mother.

Of the ‘remaining
hostages, one is a
prisoner, one a male
visitor and five are
female visitors.

They are prisoner

Dennis Lavallee, Hanna

Mary Wildgrube,
Betsy ‘Wood, Sandra
Meadley and Gay Hoon.

Wood, Meadley. | and
Hoon- have. been
described as members of

‘a prisoners’ rights group.

Hoon is helieved to
t and Meadley is.
e daughter of Wood.

in e's '

_. Pickell said that four
members of ~- New
Westminster’ city police,
32 RCMP officers and 50
members of the Canadian
Penitentiary. . Service
were“involyed in-12-hour
shifts “dedicated to. this

‘ Content of the meetings
between negotlatorg and
prisoners was not bein,

released because of ‘the
“delicate nature of the

ior the first time Wed-
nesday, while. the other
three prisoners had
earlier asked for tran-
Sfers to eastern in-
stitutions, =~ -

Police said Bennett
Wright and Saumer had

' téntatively accepted a

transfer to Millhaven
Penitentiary ‘at Bath,
Ont., but some of the
negotiations
around a solution in-
volving all five hostage-

‘takers. . ar:
_ The prisoners had been’ |

given demerol, a.
which gives.a cuphors
high. without logs of
consciousness, after the
release of some of the
hostages. -
Lawyer
Jackson, called. into the
‘Saturday — -by.
nnett, has not been in-
volved in negotiations.
since Monday, .

mew rep.

OTTAWA (CP) — Inuit
Tapirisat, the national
Eskimo brotherhood,
asked Prime Minister
Trudeau on Thursday to
replace. C.M.. (Bud)
Drury as his spécial
representative for con-
stitutional development
in __ the Northwest
Territories.

we st cannot believe

» Drury can
handle his ass ent in
the Northwest Territories

adequately: while also’

running the National
Capital Commission,”
Eric Tagoona, Tapirisat
executive director, said
in a message to Trudeau,
Drury, .6, was ap
pointed last: August to
gather views and rec-
ommendations on how
the huge territory should
develop constitutionally
and: politically. -
Last week, Trudeau
appointed bim National

Co ek
chairman and said he will
do both jobs. The com-
mission managers

federal holdings in. the

Ottawa-Hull region. :.:

- Tapirisat and the In
dian Brotherhood of the
N.W.T.. havesaid they
will not take part in the
Drury process. They
have said that Drury, a
former Liberal cabinet
minister, is interested
only in continuing coloni-
zation of the North.

‘The * Inuit have ‘been
reconsidering that stand
and. will discuss the

‘Drury inquiry ‘at their

Ainua¥ meeting next
month. However,

‘Vagoona said delegates
are likely to be reluctant
to reverse their stand
when . Trudeau has
downgraded the Inquiry
to a part-time job.

centred |

Marguerite

John “Starnes, former
head. the RCMP
security service, said

ursday: he could add
nothing to the .Trudeau
government's version of

an illegal police break-in ©
left-wing news ©

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agency...’ ne ey
Appearing before the
Keable commission
Starnes also said that in
almost three years as di-
rector he never learned of
the security service’s
Ulegal.. mail . opening:
operation. _
‘But the main’ issue
discussed was whether
Starnes and. former
RCMP -. commissioner
William Higgitt had in-
formed former solicitor-

g. “ @ ner
yer of the force's par-
ticipation in the raid on
the Agence de Presse du
Quebec on Oct. 6-7, 1972,
_in an apparently
irritable “mood, — the
witness said he “clearly
intended’' to inform
Goyer after learning of
the operation about three
days later and concluding
it was illegal.

“There is no doubt in
my mind that I intended
to inform the . minister

and I’m saying that under
oath,'’" he said, denying
an RCMP cover-up.
‘However, © Starnes

insisted he could. not’

remember what he and
Higgitt said to Goyer in a
Nov. 3, 1972, meeting in
which the matter appears
to have been discussed.
Goyer has denied that
Higgitt or Starnes ever
informed him of
Mounties’ participation
in the break-in when they
discussed a complaint
from

meeting. .
TOOK NO NOTES

Grilled as to whether he
remembered telling.
Geyer, Starnes repli

+ 0,
position on this has been
very clearly stated by the
former __ solicitorgeneral
in the House of Commons
on June 17. I can add
nothing to-that and I can
subtract nothing. It’s
unfortunate but it’s ob-
vious that neither Mr.
Higgitt nor 1 took notes at
that meeting. So that’s

a nad

He was referring to a

‘statement last summer .

by Francis Fox, who

the Agence. de’
‘Pregse Libre at - the

I do not. My-

resigned as solicitor-
general this week,

which Fox said Higgitt
and Starnes would. be
“very surprised” if they
had not: told Goyer.

Prime Minister ‘Trudeau

has . denied. that any.
cabinet minister was
involved in a cover-up of

the affair. 7

Wednesday, Higgitt
testified that he is alfwoat
certain he told Goyer but,

like Starnes, could not.

actually remember.
Starnes—when’ asked

about Operation

Cathedral’ the RCMP.

code name for
mail. interception and
opening—said he was

generally aware that the
security service
eer
graphed env wit
the -help of * postal . of-
ficials.

But he’insisted that he

. Was. never .informed of

“Cathedral C’’ which

involved opening private
mail, saying that he was
ill fortwo weeks at the’
time the ration was
restructured. -
. , Draper - corroborated
. this‘in earlier testimony.

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RCMP head ‘There's a fortune in

empty jam jars —

Herb Schwartzman once
bought 27,000 cases of
empty jam. jars--12 to a
case—but lids for only
15,-000 cases from a
manufacturer who had no
moré use for them.

“I spent a- week
about it in off

hours,” recalled the 30- |
‘year-old Schwartzman in-

an interview.

“IT went to one discount
outlet and people there
thought “it . would . be
profitable to carry when 1

sald the jars would be

excellent in: {
bathroom, in the kitchen

for spices and for the -

an’s work-
bench,” he said.
He sold two of the five
trailer loads to the outlet,
then sold the other jars
with tops in Tordnto and
found a candle manufac-

man who
‘teamed up with an ex-
perienced: salesman of
obsolete and test-market

’ failure ets to form

: Deauville Marketing Ltd.
two years ago.

‘The combination of

. Bkills— buying products.

, qualifies fora prize onthe
from the Sweetheart Draw. -

thinking up new uses for
them if necessary, and
selling them--has been
paying off and Schartz-
man said no one else in
the country offers his
firm's sophistication.

- About 80 per cent of
new products fail, When
one fails at the test

market stage, the. com-

pany involved may be
stuck with, say, 5,000
‘eases of a shampoo which
did not sell because
shoppers did not like its
color.

“A -test market is a

geographical area

eved to be be typical
of the eayine a manufac:
er ing to capture.
A product is sold only in
this area to test its sales
potential. :
CHANGE MANURE
When a product doesn’t
sel], Schwartzman or
someone like him takes
over.
“We're

ON APRIL 2nd.

oducts which had failed

sastrously” and he
the responsibility of
disposing of them
“discreetly.”

After this experience, »
he decided to go on his
own.

Schwartzman only
buys in trailer loads,
ee
al merchan
eich as pbrendboards,
knives and pens.

a apace DY
also want to ge
sub-standard production
run discreetly.

“For instance, the .
kernels of a canned-corn
product “may be a litle
oversized,’ he said.
“They're su ndard
from the manufacturer's

int of view but per-
Rectly edible and a
wholesome product. So,
we will buy it outright
and export it to the U.S.
or put it in qa discount-
store market." ;

He once sold 23,000
of frozen

asparagus in 50-peund
bivcks rs a buyer fh the
USS. after failing to sell it
in Canada

February 14th draw