Ever since the shooting of President John F. Kennedy, there has been
widespread disbelief in the “solution” put forward by the United States
Federal Bureau of Investigation and the subsequent endorsation of their

position by the Warren Commission.

Soon to take place in New Orleans is the trial of Clayton Shaw who
according to District Attorney James Garrison of New Orleans had a great

deal to do with the assassination.

The following is the second part of an exclusive Tribune interview with
Donald P. Norton, who claims to be a former CIA agent and is scheduled

to be a witness at this trial.

An interview with Garrison in the October issue of Playboy bears out
the validity of much that is contained in this interview with Norton.

Norton has a complete disbelief in the theory that Kennedy was shot
by Lee Harvey Oswald and agrees with the contention that the assassination
was a plot from the most reactionary section of the military-industrial complex
and men who had been employees of the CIA.

. The Tribune has done the best it can to check on the veracity of the
story that Norton tells and has been able to confirm a number of details in it.

ACK in the years between ’61-’62,
I went through training again in
cipher, new techniques, and the
use of weaponry. At this time we had
atomic weapons shown us at Fort Ben-
ning. They had one weapon, which may
or may not seem interesting to you, but
it was to us. It was a nuclear bazooka
that created a force field, in other
words, there was no kick-back no mat-
ter what the wind direction, no fall-out
would come to the area. The force was
so strong that a very minor explosion
would cover an area of about 20 miles
from the point of impact, 20 miles wide
and 20 miles deep, and it would not
kill it would maim but it would not
kill anybody.

Then I go on another witch hunt —
Naval Air Station down in Jacksonville,
Fla. The Naval Air Station in Jackson-
ville, Fla., has a photo map wing. This
is used for surveillance of Cuba and
other islands in the area. They fly over
continually. They make their maps,
draw conclusions. This is the United
States government naval service, but
they are affiliated with Central Intel-
ligence Agency fellows who are in fact
in the Navy. Some of the officers and
enlisted men are, in fact, uniformed
CIA officers. They, are usually career
men in the United States army or navy
and not just enlistees or draftees. I
went down for two weeks. :

We had some leaks coming out of the
Naval Air Station regarding certain in-
formation on the photo mapping pro-
cess, and these leaks had been traced
to Jacksonville. We found out there
were three fellows down there who
seemed to love to go with other men
from other navies. We have foreign
Navys putting into Jacksonville, into
the Bahamas, and these guys were
ready talkers. So I went down and pin-
pointed at least three of these fellows
who were duly transferred to the Great
Lakes operation, the Great Lakes Naval
area, for training and work there. They
never fire anybody in the United States
army, they transfer them to other
points and in less secure jobs. They
keep their rank, they never broadcast
the fact that they have been exposed.

I was travelling between the Baha-
mas, Key West, and a bit in the Car-
ribean area. Well, at one time in the
Barbados, I had to go there for contact
and was there for two days. There is
an operative that we worked under
who had headquarters in Jamaica. This
man is still working in and out of Ja-
maica, in and out of Cuba. His name I
will not mention. The names I will not
mention are personal friends of mine
who are still active operatives, and if

they were exposed something terrible

surely would happen to them. In what '

fields they are I don’t know. I did know
one time what fields they were in, we
were involved in the same thing, pene-
tration of various security set ups.

Then I met my first very important
contact, which would lead up to my
first meeting, my first and only meet-
ing for any length of time with one
Lee Harvey Oswald,.a man whom I
knew as Harvey Lee. This was back
in March 1962. I’m directed out of Fort
Benning to go from Atlanta, Georgia
to Miami, Florida, where 1 would check
into the Atlantic Hotel on Collins Ave.
and about 27th St. in Collinson, Miami
Beach, I would be contacted by a Mr.
Shaw who was going to discuss with
myself and some of the other fellows
who would be meeting in Miami, the
next six months’ activities that we
would be in, in so far as training is
concerned. It had to do with the Cuban
invasion. In 1962, I met this man, he
was known to me as Mr. Clay Shaw. I
was under the impression that he was
from Birmingham or Montgomery, Ala-
bama. I never knew this man to be
affiliated either with New Orleans or
anyone in New Orleans.

Questian: You knew him under his
correct name though?

Oh yes, yes, Mr. Clay Shaw. And the
reason for this is he was travelling at
this time—he was quite a wheel in
Merchandise Mart. He was travelling
all over the world, as far as I know,
bringing certain shows into Miami and
providing certain merchandise marts
with displays, getting business for the
city. He was the head of the enterprise
there. Everybody in Miami knew him.
He made a pass at me once, and I told
him I didn’t like dirty old men. I think
he was kind of put off with me there.
But this had nothing to do with busi-
ness.

I stayed in Miami for a week, and
this man was with us, there were
seven, eight, about ten of us. We would
meet at the hotel, between the Foun-
tainblaeu, Atlantic, and the Sheridan
Hotel on the beach. The rest of the
time was spent taking in the city and
taking in the sights as tourists. We
were discussing Cuba, the upcoming
invasion of Cuba. We got to discussing
the Bay of Pigs thing, and we all agreed
that only one man got egg on his face
at this time, and that was President
John Kennedy. He supposedly had
agreed to give air cover and all sorts
of protection to these people that were
going into Cuba, but it came out that
the Central Intelligence Agency in fact
made all kinds of agreements with the

October 27, 1967—PACIFIC TRIBUNE—Page 6

forces there that the President knew
nothing about.

Johnson, Vice-President Johnson at
this time, had been conferring quietly
with high officers in Washington, D.C.
And we were told that there was a
difference of opinion in Vice-President
Johnson’s attitude toward another in-
vasion of Cuba and the President’s atti-
tude. Mr. Kennedy had come to the
conclusion that he could get along quite
well with Fidel Castro, and in fact was
proving this. His one statement was,
“We would be happy to support dic-
tators as long as we keep peace.” Cer-
tain people didn’t want this to come
off. They wanted a little more turmoil
down there. 1 do know that the Presi-
dent of the United States was told that
there was going to be another invasion
of Cuba. He flatly told them there was
not going to be, and he was flatly told
there was going to be. And that was
the end of that, until he made his fam-
ous statement about big money being
involved in dirty politics, being involv-
ed in possibly Vietnam, Cuba and other
areas. Now he had gone so far as to
bring about the Cuban blockade. He
had done certain things that put him
up on a pedestal to many of the people
of the United States.

Mr. Shaw never forced his opinion
regarding personal things or politics.
We know that he was very wealthy, or
had to be, because he’d take ten of us
out for dinner and we would eat. The
tab would be $250 or $300 and he
would always pay in cash. He carried
a lot of $100 bills on him. Very im-
pressive to us. And here is a man, if
you ever saw him in person, you would
never forget him. You could see him
standing in a group of a million people
and still point him out. Because he had
snow white hair and what we call a

PLAYBOY: In regard to Os-
wald’s role in the conspiracy,
you have said that “he was a
decoy at first and then he was a
patsy and then he was a victim.”
Would you explain what you
meant by that?

GARRISON: Oswald’s role in
the proposed assassination of
Kennedy, as far as he seems to
have known, was strictly poli-
tical: not to fire a gun but —
for reason that may not have
been explained to him by his
superiors at their planning ses-
sions — to establish his left-
wing bona fides so unshaky that
after the assassination, quite
possibly unbeknownst to him,
the President's murder would
appear to be the work of a
sharpshooting left-wing fanatic
and thus allow the other plot-
ters, including the men who
actually shot Kennedy, to es-
cape police attention and flee
Dallas. Though he may not have
known why he was instructed to
do so, this was undoubtedly why
he got the job at the Texas
School Book Depository Build-
ing; we've learned that one of
the members of the conspiracy
was in a position to learn from
perfectly innocent Dallas busi-
ness contacts the route of the
Presidential motorcade more
than a month before Kennedy's
visit. The conspirators — more
than probably not including
Oswald—knew this would place
him on the scene and convince
the world that a demented
Marxist was the real assassin.

—Playboy, October, 1967.

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that you can never forget.

Question: He was the chief ree
for what?

For the Puerto Rican, Cuban gl
can element, and he recruited fol |
know they use many soldiers
tune, and we didn’t give a dal
they were from, I mean really
might have been a bunch of i
involved here. But they welé eT
a day. ia
Question: By the Central intel
Agency? :

Yes.

Question: And this Shaw worktt
them? W
He made pay-offs to them. Ne
of my job was recruiting frO™ 3g
sities in the South with thé
Officers Training Corps in Yq
for officers in the CIA. But sha
one of the wheels there. :

From the latter part of April
was coached about going inl? |
How, but never when. Over ap
months I knew I was going
I knew that I was going to be®
by a man named Harvey Leta
told by Mr. Shaw that he be
man personally, and that is all.
know how he knew him, ne
knew him. I had never hear
man myself. I also knew,
Alabama, that before I fin! h
ico, I was to deliver X
dollars. which turned out to Pf
of 50,000 American dollars.

This time I saw the money,
in cash. I didn’t count it, DUP)
there was that much theres
leave Mexico after I finished |
ticular assignment and J W
to Calgary, Alberta. Wh
was to deliver this money
and I was to pick up a packa
tain documents, sealed docum
I was to deliver to Calgary: ;
to proceed to Calgary, Alt@
lish myself as a musiciam,
what-have-you. In a certall is,
time, in this case four wie
to establish myself and Bp
would be contacted by nee
who would relieve me of t rt
I left Alabama the latter P¥ ent! il
ust, 1962. I drove south.

Texas. I spent a night int ig
went down and spent the
Allen, Texas. I drove W& 4
town which I cannot *
name of. It is a very 0)
tourist crossing into Mer it
less a truck route for P?
cattle trucks and things } ex
to report to Monterray, NF pl
gister at the Hotel Yam joe,
be contacted there by ™ io the

I had just checked in? my
Yamal El, and they took
upstairs, but not the at i
walked into the bar, whit xed ‘
the lobby and a man M5) " F
said, “You're Mr. Nor Lees 40
“Yes,” and “My name 1°. Kin hd
Lee,” and I said, “This, ae |
sudden contact, isn’t it? j¢ you
just thought I would see it
registered yet.” as th

Question: Now who W497 pe 7 |

Well, he later prove
Lee Harvey Oswald.

Question: How is
picture?

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and I said, “Hell, t
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about this because