2. His Worship J. M. Campbell. November 25, 1976. I sympathize with the point you make, I cannot see any way in which we can substantially increase witness fees in these times of anti~inflation and budget restraints. Your second point deals with the method of paying the witness and I completely agree with your statement that the Clerk of the Court should have cash available to pay the witness. Steps are now being taken in the Department to arrange this. Your third point is that justice should be handled in a more business~like way and again I find myself in agreement. Solving the problem of sollapsing trial lists is a major objective of Dennis Sheppard of my Department who has just recently taken on the duties of the Courts Services Division. The collapse of the trial lists is the major reason for overtime paid to police called as witnesses and tremendous inconvenience to civilian witnesses. The solution to the problem is much more difficult than defining it. At least three components of the system can contribute to the collapse and only the Crown Counsel component is subject to any direction from my Department. Therefore, Mr. Sheppard's task is going to be to marshall co-operation between Crown Counsel, the Bench and the private defence Bar in order to make any headway. Your fourth point deals with the "re-entry of lay people into the system". It is interesting that you should raise this particular point because again ‘we are working along these lines. We have been experimenting with Referees in the Small Claims Division and with lay Hearing Officers in traffic matters and our experiments